When To Add More Fish?

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:huh: Two days ago I started off my new tank with four bronze cory cats, who are all happily swimming about in they're new home, and I was curious as to when was the best time to add more fish. I've read from 2-3 weeks. I'm thinking about adding a couple of platies, hearing good things about them, but I want to wait a bit so I don't mess up the cycling. When do you guys reccommend the best time is to add more fishies? :dunno:

...who are all happily swimming about in they're new home...

ew, I know correct grammar. their* sorry for the mistake :blush:
 
Get some good fish for cycling if you haven't already done that. Make sure the tank is fully cycled, if not your new fish will most likely die...
 
What size is the tank?
I don't know how hardy cory's are for doing a cycle with fish. Also don't overfeed them,it'd be best to under feed them whilst the tank is cycling. The excess food and waste will cause more ammonia. It would have been best to cycle the tank without the fish.

You should get a water test kit and keep checking your ammonia and nitrite levels. If they get too high then the cory's are likely to die. Check the water often and only when the ammonia and nitrites have both reached 0 would i add more. Don't add too many more all at once, 3-4 every 2 weeks after, so that the bacteria get a chance to build up.
 
What size is the tank?
I don't know how hardy cory's are for doing a cycle with fish. Also don't overfeed them,it'd be best to under feed them whilst the tank is cycling. The excess food and waste will cause more ammonia. It would have been best to cycle the tank without the fish.

The tank size is 29gal, and I did let it run a fishless cycle for about three days and everything went smoothly. I then added the cories (I've read that they're pretty hardy water-wise and good starter fish). So far they've been great :fun: I'll keep checking the nitrate and ammonia levels then (and keep your feeding tip in mind). Thanks for the tips!
 
Ah, I think you may have misunderstood the term 'fishless cycle'. This is a controlled process of adding liquid ammonia and usually takes 2-4 weeks; it is not just letting the tank sit for a few days. You are now cycling with fish. Still, your corys may be alright- they are not usually recommended as cycling fish, but are fairly hardy. Make sure you keep testing for ammonia and nitrites and feed sparingly as recommended. Do not add any more fish for the next month or so, and not then until the ammonia and nitrites readings stay at 0 at all times. After that, platies are a good choice- very nice little fish.
 
Ah, I understand. Boy, what a misconception... :huh: Anyway, I will be sure to continually check the ammonia and nitrate levels. eep, I sure hope nothing goes wrong because of my mistake! :crazy:
 
Fishless cycling does not always require liquid ammonia, but any type of cycling takes much more than three days, however, there is no set time limit on when a cycle will begin or be complete, so do not bother yourself with times and dates too much. Since you are now cycling with fish, here is what you need to do....

1). You could return your fish to the LFS for possibly some in store credit and cut your losses. I know this doesnt seem like a good solution, but it is by far the most ethical and easiest. You can then allow your tank to fishless cycle...but I will not bore you with the details of that yet.

2) TEST, TEST, and RETEST! What you are looking for are high readings of ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. All are fatally toxic to your fish at high levels and if your tests reveal that they are high, you should do a water change to help lower these levels.

KEEP IN MIND...doing water changes to lower your levels of ammonia, nitrates, or nitrites is only going to help maintain your fishes lives for the time being. you could find yourself in the midst of a non stop cycling process in which you raise the levels of ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites and then quickly depleate them, not allowing the growth of benificial bacteria to occur. These bacteria are the same that will keep your water quality in check for the long duration. the process of cycling your tank is simply allowing enough of these bacteria to establish themselves, usually before you add fish.

So, if you have not done so, get yourself some good test kits. I do not suggest test 'strips' as they can be easily spoiled by humidity and not keeping them stored properly (under the tank, in the stand is not the best place, even if it is convient). Most LFS's will test your water for you using test strips, so if that is the route you want to go, just buy them yourself. I do recommend using the good old test tube type kits, all of which (that I have seen for sale) come with little booklets and color charts explaining how to perform and read the test.

If your fish do start to die off, this is most likely becasue your tank is not cycled and cannot process the chemicals mentioned above quickly enough. Do not buy more fish as this will just result in the endless cycle I talked about before.

Cycling with fish is often best done with mollies and platties (and some other super hardy fish) since they can usually outlive the high amounts of ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites. However, this is generally viewed as unethical because it does put strain and stress on the fishes in your tank. It can also lead to other problems later on in life if you happen to inadvertantly add a fish that has Ich. The stressed fish you used to cycle your tank will be easier to succumb to the disease.

If you do lose your fish or decide to return them to the LFS, simply feed your tank as you would if there was fish in there, and the good bacteria will have food to eat and time to establish themselves. I have tried some chemicals such as Bact-seed and Bact-feed with mixed results, but still I did not add fish until all my water parameters were at acceptable ranges and stable (meaning they stayed this way for a good period of time)

I wish you luck and please do not get discouraged. This is a common mistake. You may be able to get away with your tank as it is, but I would definately NOT get more fish until your tests say you can.
 
Ok, so my nitrate, nitrite, and ammonia levels are really good n' low...
nitrate : 0
nitrite : 0
ammonia : .50

Not too bad... just got to drop that ammonia level. Alrighty, I think this may work out if the levels stay low for a while :) Thank you so much for all of your help! It is so much appreciated, especially for a beginner like me! :blush:
 
Hmmmm, you may really want to read up on how to cycle your tank and what exactly will happen during the process. I will try to help explain it the best way I can.....

So, when you start a new tank up, the water does not typically have any levels of ammonia, nitrates, or nitrites in it at all. When you added your first fish, you were really adding a couple of ammonia factories into your water. This will be the first step in cycling your tank. The fish are releasing wastes that when decay, release the ammonia, which is why yours levels are high right now.

Dont be fooled however by the 0 nitrites and nitrates because this means nothing right now to you. What happens is that bacteria will begin to grow in your tank and eat the ammonia, creating it into nitrites. This will be the second phase of cycling your tank and in a few days to a couple of weeks, I would bet my house that you will have high levels of both ammonia (though slightly lower than they are right now) and nitrites in your tank.

The nitrites are further broken down by bacteria and transformed into nitrates. This will be the third phase in your cycle and during this time, you will see your ammonia levels decrease but have high nitrites and nitrates.

When your tank is cycled properly and completely, you should have none or just tiny amounts of ammonia and nitrites. You are going to have some nitrates most of the time, but you will not have to be alarmed about it until they get to a very high level. If you are using those testing kits with the test tubes. the booklet that came with it should explain exactly the levels of each chemical you are looking for.

All three of these chemicals are harmful or fatal to your fish, all in different degrees. I believe that ammonia will be the most potent one of the bunch, but it doesnt matter really since your goal is to keep it down to a bare minimum at all times.

So, you are right now just starting to cycle your tank. This process was jump started by your putting fish in the tank and then the fish putting wastes into the tank. This is the most crucial time for your fish and when they are most likely to get sick and die. The best bet would be to either return them to the store you got them or keep a very close eye on them.

Some people may advise you to do big water changes to help take out these bad chemicals so that your fish will be healthy and live. In my opinion, based upon what I have read, is that doing these big water changes may save your fish, but it will also make sure that your tank never gets properly cycled and you will have to keep up these big water changes forever. This is because taking out all of those wastes in the water is going to depleat the food source for the good bacteria you need in the tank. They will die or not be able to reestablish themselves because you are taking out their food in large amounts. In theory, you could go the entire rest of your life and keep the same tank with the same fish (or more) and never get a completely cycled tank.

In my opinion, and this is not meant to be mean spirited or anything because I realize you didnt know at the time, but I feel that you really should rehouse your fish in one way or another until your tank is ready to support them. I think many people will agree with me when I say that cycling with fish is borderline inhumane, especially with your corys because they are generally not known to be hardy enough to out last a cycle. When people do cycle a tank with fish, generally speaking they would buy the strongest fish they could (e.g. mollies or platties) to get a better chance of not having the fish die off. Still, this isnt all that wise or ethical in my book because when your fish die, the levels of waste will sink and then you would most likely add more fish to replace the ones you lost and the wastes will be too high again.
 
Hmm, I think I understand now. Well, I suppose I will most likely return my corys. I surely wouldn't want anything to happen to them because of my misunderstanding. Then from there I can proceed with the fishless cycle, correct? eep! I am so sorry for all of my questions!
 

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