What Caused My Angels To Die

tonward

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Hi all.
I bought two new angel fish from my lfs and within four days they and my
original six angels were dead,the only sign of a problem was the angels
all sitting around the heater and they would not feed.
There were no phyisical signs of illness and I had my water checked by
the lfs and everything was okay,they gave me a refund on the two fish I bought
from them and said they had no idea what caused the deaths.
So I am asking for help from the experts on here,ie,any suggestion what
could have caused this problem,and do you think it would be wise
to replace my angels (but not from the same lfs) as all my other fish
in my tank are ok.

kind regards
tony.
 
More than likely purchased bad stock which in turn not only died themselves, but spread whatever they had to your other angelfish.

Are you able to test the water quality yourself with a liquid test kit? If so could post up the results please?
 
No mate I have not got a water testing kit,but the chap at the shop used a api test kit
while I watched him and he said my water was ok,If it had not have been I do not
think they would have given me a refund,I will buy my own kit at the weekend.

regards

tony.
 
when you say there were no other symptoms of disease...how exactly do you mean? were their fins clamped? was there excess slime? were the fish listless and not eating? did they spend a lot of time near the surface of the water (not gasping, just hanging out there) and/or near the back of the tank?

there are diseases that can attack and quickly kill angelfish and only angelfish...leaving your other fish unharmed...
 
Hi.
Thanks for the reply,The only thing they were doing out of character was sitting
at the back of the tank around the heater with no other physical signs of trouble
and they would not eat.
There was one thing about the two new angels was they seemed to have a bluish
tinge to them and thats what attracted me to them.

regards

tony.
 
I have had the exact same trouble with angels, I have bought 6 over the last few months, only one had survived. I went to my lfs (a really good one) and I explained to the chap about my bad luck with angels but I wanted another one. He kindly fed the angels in the tank and told me the first one up for food would be the best one to go for. He told me angels get very stressed and can easily die off after a few days. There is no real reason behind it other than stress, which is passed onto the other angels. Its always best to quaranteen them first and take a long time to aclimatise them to the new tank. I carried out his advice with the new angel I bought last week and he is doing great.

Hope this helps.
 
i'm sorry but i have to disagree with you there.
angelfish are pretty hardy fish...to kill one by stress would require a willing act on the person to get the fish so stressed. most angelfish sold in the hobby are many many generations inbred in farms and petshops and they are able to acclimatize to most water conditions readily.

more importantly, STRESS is not a disease, therefore it cannot be passed down. if the "stress" is caused by a sudden dramatic ph change, it can cause columnaris. if it's caused by temperature change, it can bring out ich. both of those are contagious, and columnaris is lethal if not treated well.

what it sounds that you have is what is called the angelfish virus. and i say that because i actually am dealing with it at the moment. the fish will seem fine for a while, usually up to a 1-2 weeks, and then suddenly die. while all your other fish are doing great.

there is no way to treat the virus, all you can do is help the fish's immune system by keeping the water clean and not causing any unnecessary stress. some fish can survive through it. if all the angelfish die, there is still a 3-week infectious period where you risk infecting any other angel you put in. if the angelfish survives, then it will become a carrier for up to 6 months before the virus exits its system...

in my case: i had two big angels, one from a petshop, one from breeder A. i introduced two more fish from breeder A. right away the older angel from breeder A (platinum) began showing symptoms of hemorrhagic septicemia, which came on as a secondary bacterial infection. i didnt know about the angelfish virus at the time, and tried to medicate with all things i knew about to no success. the fish didnt die, but didnt get better.
then i was told about the virus by breeder B and decided to let things run their course. i kept the water clean and the fish began to make a recovery. then my older angel, from the petshop, within 5.5 days began showing symptoms of the virus and died, while the "original" platinum was still recovering. the platinum angelfish has now made a complete recovery, and the original fish that are believed to have introduced the virus are still here.
so i decided to test the theory. if it was the angelfish virus, any new fish introduced would die and show the same symptoms. so breeder B gave me an angel to sacrifice. for 6 days it was doing great, and then a period of 7 hours it began showing symptoms and died...so as you can see, if those 7 hours were while you were sleeping, you would never have known why the fish died!


so think about the pattern of deaths that you've experienced and see it if matches with the description above. hopefully it wont!
 
Thanks for the replies lads or lasses,
I have have just been to another lfs and had my water tested and everything is fine,I decided to
do a 25% water change and a gravel vac,and cleaned my filter sponges (in tank water by the way) and
going on Troj,advice I will not be adding any more angels for at least a month.
When I was doing my tank I found two out of three of my odessa barbs dead,and they were all
chasing each other round last night. :sick:

regards

tony
 
if other fish are dying, and you are sure your water is fine, then it most likely isn't the angelfish virus then. even worse for you, as now you may dealing with a disease that can take out all your fish, such as columnaris...which nearly killed all my fish early last year :sad:

my recommendation? keep the water clean by doing 2-3 water changes in the week, feed less and keep the water at a good temperature. try not to introduce any more fish until you see that you've had at least a month without ANY fish dying...

good luck. :nod:
 

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