ok, i'll worl on getting some pics, I'VE never posted any of my own, just other peoples who i needed for reference. Dont kill me over this, if they get big enough, i'll put them in a bigger tank, but right now they all live in a 25 gal. It seems enough, the only time they scrap is when one tries to get under the logs, my johanniis love 'em. One of my fish kind of reminds me of a shelly. she is about an inch long, and has verticle stripes, and the pointed head she is also grey. its not really pointy but more than any of my other fish. Im not sure, but I have a feeling its a female something. I can just tell by the motion, and attitde.and usually the females are they less-colorful, and striped