well, i've got even MORE questions on betta's....

[steppy104]

well, since i can't have any more fish, and my males don't like my females, my bf has decided to order some crowntails from a LFS.

now, since we want some nice looking babies, he was thought that if he got a pure red CT and a pure blue CT, that the fry would be red/blue mixtures, and maybe even purple...i highly doubt this, but i don't know anything about genetics. does anyone know what the fry MAY look like with parents like that?

and also, i was wondering how it would look if you bred a CT male with a HM female. i thought, crowntails have droopy tails, and half moons have completely spread out tails. would the fry have spread out crowns? i would think that would look REAL nice. but is it possible? well, thanks to whoever answers this...

oh ya...is there anything else that would look better than a pure CT? could it be mixed with anything to make a real *WOW* off breed?

 

[shrks1fan]

Breeding a red to a blue is a big no no unless all you want to do is sell the offspring to the LFS or to friends. Breeders spend generations trying to get the red out of all the other colors. You wouldn't get purples, you would get red/blue mixes. So it depends on what you want to do with the fry when they're grown up. As for the CT questions, that I can't answer, I've never worked with them, only ST's.

Linda
http/www.pet-emporium.com
http/www.cooking-fanatics.com

 

[steppy104]

well...this is an interesting site....too bad it doesn't answer my question......

click this link

ok...thanks! i'll make sure to tell him, NO RED!! lol.
but what about butterfly's with red? don't people like butterflys? i think they're peerdy )

 

[thellama]

im not 100% positive about the genetics question..

id think youd get some red and some blue babies...

i jus recently bred a female red ct with a male black plakat..

fry gonna hatch today or tomorrow..

but maybe in a month or 2 i can tell if u thats a cool combination..


u said ur males and females didnt like each other..

did you condition the females well? and give them a few days together to breed?

 

[steppy104]

i've only had the two for about a week....and they're eating fine and everything. she's had the vertical stripes (which come and go) but hasn't lately....and the male has been working on his nest...but he's also terrifying her! and my other male, which refuses to pick on her, or notice her at all, that little meany decided to start taking nips at him!!

we have one big happy family over here!

oh ya, and my other female i gave up on, cuz i can't convince her that she's a girl! making bubble nests, fighting with the men, and showing off her tail...she's kinda confused...

 

[cutecotton]

http/www.bettas-jimsonnier.com/genetics3.htm

 

[endparenthesis]

I'm pretty sure red is such a dominant color that a lot of the babies may end up being all or mostly red. And I've also read that betta coloring is actually in "layers"... so you might end up with red babies with a blue iridescence (basically just muddying up the red even more)... but I could be wrong.

I don't think you'll get the results you want by mixing colors... you'll probably have to find two parents that look like what you're going for.

Crowns are a trait that can be found on any tail, including halfmoon. Even if both parents were halfmoons, only a minority of the spawn would be halfmoons.

 

[jacblades]

you have to breed 2 CTs to get CT fry. or i htikn if one parent is a CT and one has the CT genome then you will have 50% CT fry.
yeah red and blue=big no no. purple is a difficult color to achieve. i read a really great article on it not too long ago but cant remember the site.
you seem to be imagining the best possibilities in the fry. thats far from the case-only a selcet few will be outstanding-if even that. many of your bettas will be ugggg-ly (yes i know all bettas are beautiful...)
butterfly and marble are incomplete dominance i believe and are hard to predict the outcome. i have never bred butterfly or marble before so i dont know.
even if you have 2 parents that look alike, you might not even end up eith babies that look like the parents. you have to konw their parents genes and their parents genes and so on. this is why you cannot just breed show quality bettas in one spawn. you have to spawn siblings several times over and over to achieve good results. i dont think youre looking to show-but good info anyways

 

[LynX]

have any of you actually breed a blue red mix? I have and if you breed these two the result is a red with a blues wash or straight reds. as for the tails i wouldnt have a clue.. ive only breed viel tails


btw why would people want to get rid of red in a betta i think red bettas are some of the best around

 

[steppy104]

thanks jac...thats mostly what i wanted to know. and thank you lynx for telling me what you got from mixing red and blue.

so, correct me if i'm wrong (which i usually am ...) me and my bf want to breed 2 pure crowntails, and we want to avoid red? or would it be ok to get 2 parents of pure red? what color would probably be best for first time breeding? i've already read that white is a definite NO. and i'd still really like to breed butterflies...is this any extra hassle?

oh ya...how would a "crown delta" look? does anyone have pictures of a breed like this?

 

[LynX]

what is your favourite colored betta? o and r u breeding for fun or bussiness?

 

[steppy104]

i like the purples, yellow's, whites, and some greens. ESPECIALY butterflys!!!

we're thinkin bout breedin just for fun right now....give everyone we know free crowntails

wants some?

 

[shrks1fan]

Breeding a red to a red is fine. As to why people try to get the red out of the fish it's because they are trying to get something else. Breeders have an idea of what they eventually want and they breed specifically to get that. Red wash (a Betta that has red spots/blotches/patches on it) is so common, breeders usually try to do something that's different or difficult.

Butterflys are very beutiful, I love them too, but it takes generations of breeding to get them from scratch (from non butterfly patterned bettas). If you get a couple of similar looking Butterflys then you might get some fry with the same pattern, although not all I believe, I don't think they breed true (meaning not all will look like the parents).

It all depends on what you are going to do with the fish, if you aren't wanting to sell them, then breed what you want, but if you want to try and sell some and make some descent money on them, then stick to the guidelines people are telling you here.

Linda
http/www.pet-emporium.com
http/www.cooking-fanatics.com

 

[LynX]

I WANT ONE... o wait u live in america dont u.. lol I live in australia

o and while we are on the topic of genetics has any1 studied this at school? Ive learnt a bit at school and i know quite a bit about dominant and recesive genes, so i was wondering is blue a dominant or a recesive gene?

 

[jacblades]

well what his results were breeding a red to a blue may not be your results. it all depends on the genes of the parents.
yeah butterflys are hard to breed because that trait is incomplete dominance. ive never actually done it so i dont know.
every crowntail is either a delta crowntail aor a halfmoon crowntail. dont believe theres a veil crowntail
blue is not dominant or recessive. it really depends what you breed blue with and the genes. are you talking about royal blue, steel blue or turquoise?