Well… finally close to neutral water in most of my tanks

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Been blending in RO for close to a month, 5 gallons at a time water change… taking it slow for the fish… things are happening now… Ph at 7.0 was over 8.4… now to try to start lowering it lower than the RO… GH… less than 25 right now… had problems with alkaline… now reading at 120… would still like to see that lower… fish have adapted well, from my super alkaline house softened water
 
Hello. Sounds like a lot of effort. Did you know that the vast majority of aquarium fish will adapt to the vast majority of public water supplies? Fish don't need a particular water chemistry, they simply need one that's steady. A steady chemistry can be reached by simply removing and replacing most of the tank water every few days. If you do this one thing, this will guarantee you a healthy tank with healthy fish and no water problems.

10 Tanks (Now 11)
 
I have extremely hard alkaline water where we live, and a personal well, so a long time ago, a whole house softener was added, it was needed to avoid all the fixtures from turning brown, it’s difficult for me to draw water that has not been through the softener… unfortunately a lot of the fish I like are soft water fish… killed off my Angel fish in pretty short order… & I have a saying “ anything worth doing, is worth doing right”

So RO is installed in my fish room now…
 
Hello. Unbelievable! So, you're the one fish keeper in a million that can't keep fish in standard, treated tap water!

10 Tanks (Now 11)
 
My rainbow tank has the house tap water… but I can barely keep plants in that tank… eventually I’ll run an RO line to that tank as well, it’s just on the other side of the house
 
Fish do need specific parameter ranges. Try keeping wild caught Altum angels in your tap water and you will very quickly learn this first hand. Or put a few Rift lake cichlids into soft water with a slightly acid pH. My tap water is basically neutral pH and soft. But to keep my Altums it would have killed them. My first imports went into a tank with a pH of 4.2 and TDS about 25 -30 ppm. I spent 6 months acclimating them to live at 6.0 and about 60 ppm.

As for every few days replacing most of the water in your tank, that may help. But what do you do when you have 20 -50 tanks and are keeping fish for which you modify some of the parameters? Do we think that a public aquarium with a 100,000 gallon tank does water big water changes?

And what do you do when the parameters from your tap change? They do change, and we are often not aware of this. if nothing else many water systems experience seasonal changes in parameters. When they have to flush out a system they often change the TDS and pH. When I began in the hobby my well water tested at 6.4 and KH was 6-7 and KH was 4-5. And then about 20 years into the hobby a friend came by and she stuck here TDS meter into one of my tanks and informed me my water was 83 ppm. That is a a few degrees lower than the old KH and GH tests indicated.

A few months back I noticed that the parameters in my Altum tank were drifiting up much faster than they had historically. I also had some odd readings at the start of this summer when I set up the bio-farm to cycle filters. It turns out the tap parameters had changed again. My pH was up a few .1s and my TDS were back up to the 105 ppm range. But, I now have TDS meters and a continuous digital monitor on my Altum tank which I can also use to test the chning water params. I bactch the changing water parameters based on tank readings right before setting up the changing water. Normally I need to ower both the pH and TDS some. If I miss a weekly change the correection needed is a bit more.

Some fish are naturally adapted to seasonal parameter changes. They have live in water which regularly experiences such changes every year except when mother nature acts up. To trigger my plecos to spawn when they are being sturrborn, I do a dry and rainy season. Not only do I change the TDS, but over 2 -3 days I drops the water temp from 92F (33.3C) to the 76F (24.4) range. From there I set my heaters to about 82F (27.8C).

Moreover. I was taught I can change the pH in my Altum tanl by 1.0 in 5 minutes and the fish will be fine. I have done this on several occasions over the years. When I got my first altums from a small scale imported I got them fdrom his fish room. I watched him drop the pH in one tank by 1.1 and the fish never seemed to notice. This went against everything I had read or been told. But for this species it worked just fine. I would not be inclined to do this with other fish.

So much for the idea that what all fishj need is stable parameters. What trhey need is the right parameters which are not single numbers but a range.

One last observation about doing big water changes regularly as suggested. If you are on municipal water, you probably pay for your water. Mine comes from a private well. But I pay for the electricity to pump it out of the ground. And then I pump water into and out of tanks, more electricity. Unfortunately, my electricity provider is the most expensive one in the country unless one lives in a very remote area with a small number of users. And I cannot use buckets as there is too much water involved and too much distance it has to travel to be removed and replaced. Right now I have 25 tanks going in two buildings and 5 rooms. My smallest is 5.5 and my largest is 150 gallons.

Next, it is far more than 1 in a million whose tap water is not great for keeping fish, ir even drinking sometimes. Here is a survey taken in the Phoenix, AZ area of homes which use water softeners:
Views of Water Quality are not materially different between those owning Water Softeners and those that don’t. This is likely due to the fact that eight-out-of-ten state they primarily use them to Reduce Water Hardness and not to Remove Contaminants.

One-quarter of all homes surveyed have a Water Softener, with penetration approaching four-in-ten in the Growth area, almost two and one half times greater than in the Established area. Reverse Osmosis system ownership follows this same pattern.

Water Softener (and Reverse Osmosis system) ownership significantly increases with income to nearly half of all households having Water Softeners in the highest income group.
from Water softener survey

In 2004 there were about 3.2 millon people living in the greater Phoenix area. Even if this include double the amount of folks in the survey, and homes average 5 people, that still means 320,000 homes. the survey says 1/4 of homes have softeners. That would be 80,000 homes. So much for the 1 in a million thought. Oh well, back the the drawing board, maybe?
https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/23099/phoenix/population

A 2021 survey by the University of New Hampshire- Casey School of Public Policy asked several Qs. One was is the earth flat and "10 percent think the Earth is flat."
Conspiracy vs. Science: A Survey of U.S. Public Beliefs

edited to add the survey info and then to fix the link
 
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Hello. Sounds like a lot of effort. Did you know that the vast majority of aquarium fish will adapt to the vast majority of public water supplies? Fish don't need a particular water chemistry, they simply need one that's steady.
This is an old, tired myth, based on a lack of experience with difficult fish.

It's a consumer approach at best. If you keep fish to breed them (ie, keep them for more than one lifespan and don't just buy replacements) you'll quickly learn that the chemistry of water is extremely important. Water hardness determines when you succeed with egg layers, and when you fail.

I'm guessing 10 tanks hasn't seen mollies with the shimmies caused by too soft water affecting them neurologically. Many people have seen this, and learned from it. I remember discussing this with the tropical fish nerds at school when I was 10 or 11 and saw it for the first time.

If you buy fish and just look at them for a sometimes shortened lifespan, then 10 or 11 tanks has a point. But always bear in mind that you have saltwater at one extreme, and zero hardness Amazon water at the other. In between, there is a range that different species of fish have adapted to. Drop your marine clownfish in Amazon water and you can change all the water you want. Put cardinals in the ultra-hard tap I had in the late 70s and watch them decline.

If you latch on to one idea, be it never having to change water (the usual old swamp tank guy online) or solve everything by changing water (this one), you limit your possible success. Rift lake Cichlids and altum angels need different conditions. Any aquarist worth his or her salt (or Reverse Osmosis water) knows this. Poecilia velifera and Micropoecilia branneri may be from the same family, but their needs are at opposite ends of the freshwater spectrum. Asian rummy nose barbs lose their colour in soft water, South American rummy nose tetra species can waste away in hardwater.There are hundreds of examples - too many to list here. You only have to see one in action to get it anyway, although it would be cruel to the fish to try the experiment.
 

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