Water Cycling (how, Why, What,)

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When setting up a new aquarium, LFS tell you to leave it a week or 2 before adding fish, now i was told by mine that its so the filter can mature etc.

What actually is the reason for letting it stand for a while before adding fish? as i recently been told the cycle can not start without the fish to produce the ammonia, therefore the bacteria just dying ( i think thats what he said).

Any info would be great.
i would like to understand as much on this as possible.
 
Leaving a tank to sit without a source of ammonia absolutely does nothing. The only way to let the filter mature is to add ammonia (reccommnded) or add a few hardy fish which is frowned apon by many people.

If you have any other queestions regarding filters and cycling feel free to ask...
 
Well thats amazing, i have always set my tanks up, added water conditioner and stress zyme, left for a week and then added some fish (usually livebearers)..

The reason is because my LFS said to me: in a week bring a water sample in and il test it for you, he did nitrate and nitrite and ammonia, and said: ok everything seems ok and you can add fish, then i get the fish and take them home and add them.

No wonder my levels are ok if the cycle aint even started lol..

I guess i should thank myself lucky i have only had 3 fish die since i first ever started with tanks.


Now this has got me to wanting to learn more about this, i understand how ammonia turn to nitrite and nitrite to nitrate.

But what i want to know is: from setting up a tank to adding the fish.

Can you explain to me in steps.. for example step 1: add the water etc...

I want to know that in the future when setting up tanks, i am doing it 100% correct.

Thanks. :)
 
Well this is how I set mine up:

Buy tank and set up all equipment - heater, filter etc.

Add gravel (thoroughly washed)

Half-fill with water (tap water is fine since there ar no bacteria to kill yet)

Add plants (easier once there is some water in the stop them flopping over)

Add water conditioner to the tank and fill up to the max line with tapwater.

Turn heater and filter on.

Test tank water - record ammonia, nitrite, nitrate levels.

Follow instructions for fishless cycling (see link at top of newbie forum) - you will need pure ammonia and plenty of liquid tests.
I test my tank water every evening for nitrite and ammonia, and add extra ammonia whenever it drops to almost zero, to bring it back to about 4ppm so my bacteria are well fed.

I am still in the middle of fishless cycling now, so this is as far as I have got... (cycle length varies from 10 days to months.... I'm at about 2 and a half weeks so far and progressing fine)

But once ammonia and nitrite readings are zero (12 hours after adding 4ppm ammonia) then I would do a big water change (add water conditioner before any tapwater touches your tank) to drop my nitrate levels.

Take a sample of the tank water to the LFS and go fish shopping :) :fish:
 
Well thats amazing, i have always set my tanks up, added water conditioner and stress zyme, left for a week and then added some fish (usually livebearers)..

Adding stress zyme actually wont do much either i'm afraid. It claims to have these bacteria in it, but as the bacteria need an ammonia source and oxygen to stay alive, it is unlikely at best that it can actually do what it claims to. Think about it, it might have been sitting on the shelf for 3 months. The bacteria will die after about 24hrs without their essential ammonia and oxygen. Even if it does have bacteria in it, you add them to your tank and wait a week so they'd be dead by the time you introduce your first fish.

The reason is because my LFS said to me: in a week bring a water sample in and il test it for you, he did nitrate and nitrite and ammonia, and said: ok everything seems ok and you can add fish, then i get the fish and take them home and add them.

No wonder my levels are ok if the cycle aint even started lol..

You've hit the nail on the head mate. The levels will be fine but not because you have a cycled filter which is taking care of them. It's because your cycle hasn't even started yet. This is really bad advice which is given out by LFSs all too regularly. You'd think they'd know what they're talking about, but lots of them don't.

But what i want to know is: from setting up a tank to adding the fish.

Can you explain to me in steps.. for example step 1: add the water etc...

I'd always recommend a fishless cycle. You can read all about it in the link in my signature below. If you still have questions, come back and ask. Basically, you fill your tank and then add ammonia from a bottle to cycle your filter. This avoids subjecting fish to ammonia and nitrite poisoning by using fish to cycle the tank.

The ammonia processing bacteria will form first and change the ammonia into nitrite, so you will see the ammonia disappear and the nitrite rise. That is the first stage.

Once the nitrite rises, the nitrite processing bacteria will start to develop, changing the nitrite into nitrate. You will therefore see nitrite falling and nitrate rising. This is the second and last stage.

Each time ammonia falls to 0, you must add more so there is always some in the tank, otherwise your bacteria will die.

Once you get to the stage where you can add ammonia and then the bacteria can process the ammonia and subsequently the nitrite back down to 0 within 12 hrs, your filter is cycled and you are ready for fish.

Each case is different, but the process usually takes 4 - 6 weeks. Once cycled, you can add a full tank of fish all at once because you have enough bacteria to cope with it.

I hope this helps.

Cheers :good:

BTT
 
Thats great guys and very helpful..

It seems i have been doing everything correct and exactly the same apart from one thing..

CYCLING THE DAMN TANK

And to be fair, this is not even my fault, its my LFS (who will be getting a earful tomorrow)

What does my head in is the fact i have done everything correct and when i think the main thing is working (the cycling) it actually isnt, another thing is, my LFS does not realise but, when my friends see my tanks (which thankfully are all ok) some of them asked me to help them setup thiers, and i have... unknownigly that the 1 important thing is actually not happening (once again because of my LFS advice) So its just a chain reaction of wrong advice as they tell there friends, and so on and son.

I wonder how many tanks in my town have been setup wrong, due to my silly ass LFS.

Hey guys, you have really opened my eyes and made me realise i should learn everything possible about everything involved with aquarium, from now on, i will be using this forum anyways for advice etc so i know now i will always be guided with proper advice.

Anyways, going to oil my baseball bat and visit my LFS tomorrow lol :shout:

Thanks guys for your help :)
 
I wonder how many tanks in my town have been setup wrong, due to my silly ass LFS.

Hey guys, you have really opened my eyes and made me realise i should learn everything possible about everything involved with aquarium, from now on, i will be using this forum anyways for advice etc so i know now i will always be guided with proper advice.

Anyways, going to oil my baseball bat and visit my LFS tomorrow lol :shout:

Thanks guys for your help :)

Heheh sounds like fun, "knock" some sense into them lol
 
I just hope hospital have a spare bed tomorrow :lol:

Just kidding.

All im going to do is point out the fact that his information is wrong or misleading and he needs to give out the proper advice.

Like i always said, your never to old or wise to learn something new, and i was a perfect example of this tonight, so if i can accept it, so should he.

In the future it will pay off because i know that your info passed to me, which i will pass to him and he will now pass to new customers, will make big diffrence in future setups for the customers...

Thanks guys, i know this may sound silly but, you have made a big diffrence for a lot of people who get new setups from my LFS and to me :)
 
It's odd that almost all fish stores, whether true fish stores or just pet stores that sell fish, always say the same thing. I can't believe that there aren't at least a few that mention fishless cycling. I'm sure some (maybe most in pet stores) have employees that simply don't know any better and are only repeating what thy have been told. Others don't really care about the problems this causes as they then get to sell you ammonia remover, ammonia detoxifyer and medications to fight off the problems the fish have. And eventuallly, they probably get to sell you new fish too. But the thing about bringing in the water after 2 weeks really is a joke as it's really nothing more than taking them tap water that's been running through a filter for a while.
 
Do what im doing, go to your LFS with a olied baseball bat and correct them before they do anymore damage :lol:
 
It's odd that almost all fish stores, whether true fish stores or just pet stores that sell fish, always say the same thing. I can't believe that there aren't at least a few that mention fishless cycling. I'm sure some (maybe most in pet stores) have employees that simply don't know any better and are only repeating what thy have been told. Others don't really care about the problems this causes as they then get to sell you ammonia remover, ammonia detoxifyer and medications to fight off the problems the fish have. And eventuallly, they probably get to sell you new fish too. But the thing about bringing in the water after 2 weeks really is a joke as it's really nothing more than taking them tap water that's been running through a filter for a while.

Yeh I agree, they genuinely do need taught a lesson for those who don't know about fishless cycling. Then for those who do know about it should be but just want to make money... :grr:
 

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