Water Conditioner

[Jules H-T]

Some may find this topic illuminating. Others may find it pretty hard going and OTT!

http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showto...l=chlorine&st=0

Of particular note is the link to the thread in which Tolak posted this link: http/www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/rev-cond.htm , to a list of which dechlorinators do what. Ensure your choice is based on this too, and not just how much volume is treated.

 

[Fillet 'O' Fish]

I use this stuff:
Waterlife Haloex
It only needs 1 drop per litre of water you change - so lasts ages !!

Looks good, so you get it from this site?

You could do, but I buy mine from my LFS. Most seem to sell it. CHeck to see which is cheaper?

 

[Coomon10]

Some may find this topic illuminating. Others may find it pretty hard going and OTT!

http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showto...l=chlorine&st=0

Of particular note is the link to the thread in which Tolak posted this link: http/www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/rev-cond.htm , to a list of which dechlorinators do what. Ensure your choice is based on this too, and not just how much volume is treated.

WOW!!!! Defnitely a hard read but illuminating... Does anyone know how the API super strength tap water conditioner as mentioned in this set of posts by Irf compares to the API stress coat/tap water conditioner as outlined in the Tolak link/comparisons?

 

[Inchworm]

WOW!!!! Defnitely a hard read but illuminating... Does anyone know how the API super strength tap water conditioner as mentioned in this set of posts by Irf compares to the API stress coat/tap water conditioner as outlined in the Tolak link/comparisons?

Hi Coomon10

I don't know how it compares to any other product, but it does an excellent job and is the least expensive dechlorinator I have found. I've been using it for several years.

The bottle on the left (yellow label) is the old bottle which directs you to use one drop per gallon of water, and says the bottle will treat up to 7, 568 gallons of water. The (new) blue labeled bottle on the right directs you to use 1 ml per 20 US gallons (75.7 L) of water and claims to treat 9,460 US gallons.

Since I have no idea how this converts using less than 20 gallon increments, I just use a drop per gallon and add a few extra to be sure. If anyone knows how to convert this properly, please let me know.

Wardly's makes a good and inexpensive product too. It is used at the rate of 3 drops per gallon and is also excellent for people who have small tanks since it's use can be so easily managed.

Neither product has extra (and IMHO unnecessary) ingredients such as aloe.

 

[voo]

I was running out of my normal dechlorinator (Tetra Aquasafe, whose doseage is 5ml per 10litres), and after seeing this thread decided to compare the pond dechlorinator whilst in the store.

The pond dechlorinator is by pond doctor (tapltd.com), and it's doasge is 10ml per 225 litres. Price for 500ml was £10, compared to £14 for 500ml of my usual stuff.

Both of these contain vitamin B, however the dechlorinator meant for tropical fish also contains BioExtract to help beneficial bacteria and colloid ingredients to help the gills.

I have 2 tanks so whilst i still have some of my usual stuff i'll try the pond stuff on the other tank and hope it does the job!!

 

[OohFeeshy]

Ah, thats good to know inch, I've been looking for the old bottle and not realising it had changed.

 

[The-Lion]

There is a 5 litre bottle of Tetra Aquasafe available for £47.50p now that is ten of the 500ml bottles the largest most places sell for about £13.00p so buying the 5 litre bottle saves you about £80.00p give or take a couple of quid.

 

[Jules H-T]

also contains BioExtract to help beneficial bacteria and colloid ingredients to help the gills.

BioExtract? *** is that?

A colloid is purely a way of describing how something mixes with something else (as in shake oil and water together, and the resuilt is a colloid). How does that benefit gill function?

This is a prime example of the bollo(ks that gets peddled as marketing literature, and that people get sucked into because it sounds good, spending £££$$$ on rubbish in the meantime.

I'm all for sensible and educated debate on the subject, but this quote, which I presume is straight off the bottle, is a top quality, bona fide, total excerpt of $hite. It tells you nothing.

This is why tropical fish dechlore costs so much. Because of the complete load of bull they type on the side that people think looks scientific.

Is the stuff in the tiny rip off bottle any different to pond dechlore? Or any different to the 25Kg bags that last 4 fishkeepers their whole careers?

I'm assuming you all have checked whether your dechlorinator takes care of heavy metals, as listed in Tolak's post I added?

If it doesn't, then you need to be considering an alternative. Is your water supply chloraminated? If not (and a 5 minute call to your water company will tell you), and it's also not treating heavy metal, then you might as well put real twenties into water and watch them dissolve, for all the good you're doing your fish.

Educate yourselves, learn what you're buying, and why. Don't just go on "max gallons per drop".

@ Voo, this isn't a pop at you, but at the companies that make honest fishkeepers buy their products without question.

 

[voo]

Jules H-T - No offence taken

Yeah it was a (partial) quote taken from the bottle, and from what i could see it was the only difference between that dechlorinator meant for tropical fish and that made for pond use.

Like most people i just kept using this same stuff as i knew it was the right thing for tropical fish. Until i had read this post i had never thought about dechlorinator for pond use. Actually i had never gone to the pond section as i thought all their stuff was irrelevant. Went there yesterday to look for pond dechlorinator to give it a try and found they have most medicines that i use - all in more concentrated versions and cheaper (value wise).

Would all the medicines for pond use (ich treatment etc) be ok for use in a tropical tank aswell?

 

[andywg]

Ich medicine should be alright, as it will be treating the same general species of pathogen.

Be careful about claims on bottles as JH-T has already said. Many claim to help the slime coat, but actually do so by putting an irritant in the water which causes the coat produce more in defence.

 

[voo]

How would i know if they're putting an irritant in the water? is there any chemical to look out for ?

 

[Qays]

Hi inchworm

its a simple cross multiplication.

using this:
1ml treats 20g

you can work out that:
0.5ml treats 10g
0.25ml treats 5g
0.13ml treats 2.5g
0.75ml treats 15g

I use tapsafe, "One inner capful per 6UK Gallons"

So when i go a 3g water change (for a 11g tank), i fill half an inner capful.

it lasts me a long time for my 11g tank, the smallest size.

WOW!!!! Defnitely a hard read but illuminating... Does anyone know how the API super strength tap water conditioner as mentioned in this set of posts by Irf compares to the API stress coat/tap water conditioner as outlined in the Tolak link/comparisons?

Hi Coomon10

I don't know how it compares to any other product, but it does an excellent job and is the least expensive dechlorinator I have found. I've been using it for several years.

The bottle on the left (yellow label) is the old bottle which directs you to use one drop per gallon of water, and says the bottle will treat up to 7, 568 gallons of water. The (new) blue labeled bottle on the right directs you to use 1 ml per 20 US gallons (75.7 L) of water and claims to treat 9,460 US gallons.

Since I have no idea how this converts using less than 20 gallon increments, I just use a drop per gallon and add a few extra to be sure. If anyone knows how to convert this properly, please let me know.

Wardly's makes a good and inexpensive product too. It is used at the rate of 3 drops per gallon and is also excellent for people who have small tanks since it's use can be so easily managed.

Neither product has extra (and IMHO unnecessary) ingredients such as aloe.