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:blink: hi im new i wonder if anyone could help me i have a 60 litre tank and i cant my ammonia ph nitrate and nitrite levels down tried changing water up to 40% and still nothing i and thorughly vacummed over and over and still nothing clean filter media in tank water still nothing please help getting quite URGENT now thank you :crazy: :crazy:
 
what kind of fish do you have, and how many of each? since your tank is cycling, you might need to give some fish away. either way, you'll have to water changes everyday until the ammonia and nitrite are at acceptable levels (less than 0.25ppm). then keep doing water changes to keep those levels from rising. don't do more than a 25% water change at a time.
 
How long has the tank been set up.
You shouldn't touch the filter sponges only change the filter floss or mating once a week.
Also you do not touch the subsrate till the tanks cycled.
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my tank has been set up for about 3 months now i had to clean sponges as they were covered in sludge and really not doing the job anymore thanks for the advice tho :):):):)

what kind of fish do you have, and how many of each? since your tank is cycling, you might need to give some fish away. either way, you'll have to water changes everyday until the ammonia and nitrite are at acceptable levels (less than 0.25ppm). then keep doing water changes to keep those levels from rising. don't do more than a 25% water change at a time.
i have 6 tiger barbs 2 albino plecs 2 golden apple snails and 2 zebra snails shall i do water changes everyday and see how i get on my ammonia level i just check was on the highest one im really quite woriied no my nitrite is aswell now i dont no what ese to do any suggestion mate would be great cheers mate :):):):):)
 
Hello and welcome to the forum. :hi:

Continue to do water changes until you can get the ammonia and nitrite down to .25 ppm or below. Obviously, you want them both at zero but that will take some time. What are your exact readings for ammonia, nitrite and pH (test your tap water too as the problem could be there)? The pH isn't something you need to worry about getting down (or up). The main thing is that it is stable. Since you say you can't get it down, I'm assuming it's in the upper 7s which does make the ammonia more toxic.

Since you say the ammonia is on the highest level (liquid or strip tests - strips are terribly inaccurate), I would do a 50% WC as soon as possible. Contine to do them every 3 or 4 hours until you get the levels down. After that, you can cut back to 25% as needed to keep the levels down. The only reason not to do WCs that large is if the tap pH and tank pH are significantly different, thus potentially causing a big swing in the tank pH.
 
Hello and welcome to the forum. :hi:

Continue to do water changes until you can get the ammonia and nitrite down to .25 ppm or below. Obviously, you want them both at zero but that will take some time. What are your exact readings for ammonia, nitrite and pH (test your tap water too as the problem could be there)? The pH isn't something you need to worry about getting down (or up). The main thing is that it is stable. Since you say you can't get it down, I'm assuming it's in the upper 7s which does make the ammonia more toxic.

Since you say the ammonia is on the highest level (liquid or strip tests - strips are terribly inaccurate), I would do a 50% WC as soon as possible. Contine to do them every 3 or 4 hours until you get the levels down. After that, you can cut back to 25% as needed to keep the levels down. The only reason not to do WCs that large is if the tap pH and tank pH are significantly different, thus potentially causing a big swing in the tank pH.

ok well thanks for the advice i would do the 50 % water change evry 4 hours and see if theres any difference i wont do i tho if the tep wate ph and the tanks ph are diff i will let u know how i get on if they survive then your a genius thanks alot ang again many thanks cheers mate :):):):)
 
Hello and welcome to the forum. :hi:

Continue to do water changes until you can get the ammonia and nitrite down to .25 ppm or below. Obviously, you want them both at zero but that will take some time. What are your exact readings for ammonia, nitrite and pH (test your tap water too as the problem could be there)? The pH isn't something you need to worry about getting down (or up). The main thing is that it is stable. Since you say you can't get it down, I'm assuming it's in the upper 7s which does make the ammonia more toxic.

Since you say the ammonia is on the highest level (liquid or strip tests - strips are terribly inaccurate), I would do a 50% WC as soon as possible. Contine to do them every 3 or 4 hours until you get the levels down. After that, you can cut back to 25% as needed to keep the levels down. The only reason not to do WCs that large is if the tap pH and tank pH are significantly different, thus potentially causing a big swing in the tank pH.

i think this may be a bit confusing as 1 person is saying to do 25% water changes and another is saying to do 50% water changes every3 or 4 hours??
which one is it???? :unsure:
 
Hello and welcome to the forum. :hi:

Continue to do water changes until you can get the ammonia and nitrite down to .25 ppm or below. Obviously, you want them both at zero but that will take some time. What are your exact readings for ammonia, nitrite and pH (test your tap water too as the problem could be there)? The pH isn't something you need to worry about getting down (or up). The main thing is that it is stable. Since you say you can't get it down, I'm assuming it's in the upper 7s which does make the ammonia more toxic.

Since you say the ammonia is on the highest level (liquid or strip tests - strips are terribly inaccurate), I would do a 50% WC as soon as possible. Contine to do them every 3 or 4 hours until you get the levels down. After that, you can cut back to 25% as needed to keep the levels down. The only reason not to do WCs that large is if the tap pH and tank pH are significantly different, thus potentially causing a big swing in the tank pH.

i think this may be a bit confusing as 1 person is saying to do 25% water changes and another is saying to do 50% water changes every3 or 4 hours??
which one is it???? :unsure:

i think im going to do the 50% water change as my ammonia leval and nitrite level is dangerously high so thanks for the suggestion it is confusing i think the 25% is for weekly maitcance and only lowering levels by a lil bit nothing to seriously cheers mate :):):):)
 
Is the tank cycled? If not have you added anything to the tank that could have recently started the cycle?
 
Is the tank cycled? If not have you added anything to the tank that could have recently started the cycle?

the tank is cycled yes and i recently and regurly on a weekly bases put in nutrafin cycle give it a boost thanks for the quote :):):):):):):):):)
 
Is the tank cycled? If not have you added anything to the tank that could have recently started the cycle?

The tank is cycled yes and i recently and regurly on a weekly bases put in nutrafin cycle give it a boost thanks for the quote :):):):):):):):):)
Since you have ammonia and nitrite present, your tank is not cycled. "Cycled" simply means that there is enough nitrifying bacteria present to process all waste. In a cycled tank, ammonia and nitrite wil always be zero. If you mean that you "cycled" it as the fish stores tell you by setting it up and letting it run for 3 days to a week or 2, that isn't cycling and really doesn't do anything. Until there is an ammonia source, eiher fish or bottled ammonia in a fishless cycle, the bacteria will not form.

On a side note, the Nutrifin Cycle is pretty much useless. It really does nothing to speed the cycling process. It won't hurt to use it but it won't help either.
 
Is the tank cycled? If not have you added anything to the tank that could have recently started the cycle?

The tank is cycled yes and i recently and regurly on a weekly bases put in nutrafin cycle give it a boost thanks for the quote :):):):):):):):):)
Since you have ammonia and nitrite present, your tank is not cycled. "Cycled" simply means that there is enough nitrifying bacteria present to process all waste. In a cycled tank, ammonia and nitrite wil always be zero. If you mean that you "cycled" it as the fish stores tell you by setting it up and letting it run for 3 days to a week or 2, that isn't cycling and really doesn't do anything. Until there is an ammonia source, eiher fish or bottled ammonia in a fishless cycle, the bacteria will not form.

On a side note, the Nutrifin Cycle is pretty much useless. It really does nothing to speed the cycling process. It won't hurt to use it but it won't help either.

o right well thats come to quite a shock i was told diff by poeple at the store i dont no waht to really do now its quite confusing :S:S:S:S:S
 
More fish probably die as a result of bad advise from LFS employees than any other reason. Most employees, especially at pet stores that just happen to sell fish, don't have enough knowledge to give advice and are only repeating what they have heard or read and unfortunately, most of the printed material available is outdated. Even the directions that come with tank kits still say to add water, let the tank run a few days and add a few fish. That really does absolutely nothing. You just as well set it up, get the temperature right and add the fish. Without an ammonia source there will be no more bacteria in the tank after a week than when you first added the water. The reason they hawk products like Cycle and Stress Zyme, is that they want to sell them. Just like the filter companies that tell you to change the filter pack every 2 weeks (only change them when they are too worn to function). If you don't change them, they aren't making money.

Anyway, it's up to you to believe what you think is right. We only have the best interest of your fish in mind and want to make your experience as pleasurable and simple as possible. We've all made mistakes and that's probably how most of us ever ended up here.
 
More fish probably die as a result of bad advise from LFS employees than any other reason. Most employees, especially at pet stores that just happen to sell fish, don't have enough knowledge to give advice and are only repeating what they have heard or read and unfortunately, most of the printed material available is outdated. Even the directions that come with tank kits still say to add water, let the tank run a few days and add a few fish. That really does absolutely nothing. You just as well set it up, get the temperature right and add the fish. Without an ammonia source there will be no more bacteria in the tank after a week than when you first added the water. The reason they hawk products like Cycle and Stress Zyme, is that they want to sell them. Just like the filter companies that tell you to change the filter pack every 2 weeks (only change them when they are too worn to function). If you don't change them, they aren't making money.

Anyway, it's up to you to believe what you think is right. We only have the best interest of your fish in mind and want to make your experience as pleasurable and simple as possible. We've all made mistakes and that's probably how most of us ever ended up here.

i think youve hit the nail on the head i believe that some have a clue like proper fish shops but big stores like pets at home and that are all about money. there tanks are always floating with dead fish i have seen whitespot in one tank which is managed by a big filter out the back so all the tanks must have it i agree mostly in what your saying thankyou for sharing that with me i think and, obv its true people learn my there mistakes cheers mate ....................... fair play mate :good:
 

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