Urgent help needed now!!!!!

[AngelMax]

We lost another 3 fish tonight. The platie had white spots and he had floss round his tail & he had a slimey look to the body.
The angel has holes in her fins and they look cloudy.
Is it normal to lose their balance with WS???
The neon was swimming in an upright position and near the end he was upside down swimming....

Do you think we are contending with a whole host of other problems as well as WS???

The ones we have left dont appear to have many spots and are all feeding well.

We are on day 2 of eSHa Exit & eSHa 2000. (previously treated for 1 week on King Britsh No 5)

Please shed some light on this..... fed up of the upset now!!!

Look how RIP's I have had to do in a matter of 3 days!!!!

 

[tttnjfttt]

It does sound like your fihs have developed a secondary infection, so its best to treat with an internal antibiotic. Since you are from the UK, I really don't know what meds are avaliable. Right now, start bringing the temperature in your tank down, to slow the growth of the bacteria.

Also, I know you have been asked this before, but what is your ammonia, ntirite, and nitrate? (as of today preferably)

 

[AngelMax]

It does sound like your fihs have developed a secondary infection, so its best to treat with an internal antibiotic. Since you are from the UK, I really don't know what meds are avaliable. Right now, start bringing the temperature in your tank down, to slow the growth of the bacteria.

Also, I know you have been asked this before, but what is your ammonia, ntirite, and nitrate? (as of today preferably)

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Thanks tttnjfttt. I have just done a water test....

PH 7.4
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 15 (which I expected to slightly rise as per meds)

We are using a Fungus/finrot & bacteria infection med by eSHa as it can be used with the WS treatment we are using. I have Melafix also but havent added that with the other meds.

 

[tttnjfttt]

What is the active ingredient in eSHa? I have also sent a PM to someone I know in England who might be able to recomend a med that is avaliable over there.

 

[AngelMax]

I have been on the eSHa website & it seems they do not publish their active ingredients (was also told this by the LFS)

It is probably one of the best types in the uk along with Protozin by Waterlife.

Thanks for your help so far, I hope your friend in the UK can shed more light on this.

I think the eSHa 2000 treats over 18 symptoms and disease organisms; fungal, bacterial & parasitic infections; that what it says on the box!

 

[WILDER]

dealt with it ttnjftt, she message me, once they come down with secondary infections there isn't alot to do, parasites are nasty little things which can cause this, she will have to ride it out, don't want to really mix a bacteria med with a parasite med, the fish sound bad, i would advise it in a hospital tank but not a main tank, surviival of the fittest at the moment in time.

 

[AngelMax]

thanx tt and wilder like u say its a matter of riding it out.

Went to lfs today for more advice and they said to do another 3 day course of eSHa at triple dose as eSHa is safe at that level; manufacturer do not publish this advise but do tell lfs buyers this can be done. Overdose occurs at 10x.

let you all know how it goes.

just one ? left....... should we now have the lights on in the tank?

 

[black angel]

how long has the tank been running?

its usually best to keep the tank light off during treatment of whitespot as having the light on can deactivate the meds you are using. as mentioned the white spot has lowered the fishes immune system so allowing other bacterial diseases to come in.
i would concentrate on getting rid of the ich first using the meds, temperature and a syphon.
use the meds as instructed and yes you can use it at triple dose, i have done this myself. get more air into the tank as well to compensate for the meds.
i havent used esha before but protozin and when you have a day without using it do a 50% water change using a gravel vac to go through the gravel as well as you can.
when returning water, make sure it is temperature matched and dechlorinated.
it sounds like you have a tough strain of white spot and may claim most of your fsih but you have to keep going with what you are doing. once the spots are cleared for 6 days and after a few more water changes, then if theres anything else wrong with the fish i would then treat for that.

 

[AngelMax]

how long has the tank been running?

its usually best to keep the tank light off during treatment of whitespot as having the light on can deactivate the meds you are using.  as mentioned the white spot has lowered the fishes immune system so allowing other bacterial diseases to come in.
i would concentrate on getting rid of the ich first using the meds, temperature and a syphon.
use the meds as instructed and yes you can use it at triple dose, i have done this myself. get more air into the tank as well to compensate for the meds.
i havent used esha before but protozin and when you have a day without using it do a 50% water change using a gravel vac to go through the gravel as well as you can.
when returning water, make sure it is temperature matched and dechlorinated.
it sounds like you have a tough strain of white spot and may claim most of your fsih but you have to keep going with what you are doing. once the spots are cleared for 6 days and after a few more water changes, then if theres anything else wrong with the fish i would then treat for that.

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We started the tank up about 4 months ago. We have had good water statsin general.
The lastest results were- ammonia 0 - nitrate 0.15 - nitrite 0 - PH 7.4
Water stone running contant.
Temp 26c. Ran temp at 30c with 1st lot of meds(King British) but these did not work, so lowered the temp gradually as eSHa say to run at a lower temp. Lights have been off the last 2 days (as only then were we told to turn off).

Neon tetras still have alot of spots, but the platys do not appear to have many if any atall now. The platys seem to have a mucus coating on their bodies. One platy in particular stays up top at the back of the tank, occassionaly swims around. All feeding.

Also just introduced Daphnia feed as they will not take the bloodworm. The angel and the neons in particular. They all fed quite well this evening.

The neons normally stay mid tank but they are even going near the top now!!!!!

As there are a few typrs of secondary infections going on should we turn the lights back on??? As when we turn the lights on the fish seem to become more active.

Also I am reading that salt can help....should we use a salt bath or add to main tank. We have another angel in hospital tank which we are using melaifix for an injured tail (she is the only one not to be effected with ws or infection!!!!

 

[black angel]

you need to keep the stress levels down really so moving the fish around might not be the best way to go. maybe salting the tank might help but you need to realise that you could lose all your neons. the salt will kill the parasites but the secondary infections might not respond to the salt. the platys will be ok with it and the angel if strong enough should be able to take it for a short while.
if you want to try it then you need to do the meds until the end of the course to see if it helps at all and if not do big water changes and add charcoal to the filter to get rid of the meds as the salt wont work properly with it. raise the temp up to the mid 80's and keep doing gravel vacs, you can also keep the light on when doing this.
with a bit of luck the spots will be disappearing and all thats needed is the high temperature and gravel vacs but if you still see spots after a few days then start the salt treatment or go back to a med such as protozin, but remember to keep the light off for this treatment and the temp high.
if you want to try the salt then add 1 level teaspoon per gallon and twelve hours later add another level teaspoon per gallon. do this again after another 12 hours and this will give you a .3% solution. you will need to do regular water changes of around 30% to keep the gravel clean but remember to add the salt back.
when all the spots have gone then do small water changes without adding the salt to bring the solution back to 0.
I would only reccommend this if you dont see any improvement with the meds and the high temp and gravel vacs as it is quite dangerous for the little neons.

good luck and thanks for the pm

 

[Soaup]

Fin Rot, white cloudy patchs?

 

[AngelMax]

you need to keep the stress levels down really so moving the fish around might not be the best way to go. maybe salting the tank might help but you need to realise that you could lose all your neons. the salt will kill the parasites but the secondary infections might not respond to the salt. the platys will be ok with it and the angel if strong enough should be able to take it for a short while.
if you want to try it then you need to do the meds until the end of the course to see if it helps at all and if not do big water changes and add charcoal to the filter to get rid of the meds as the salt wont work properly with it. raise the temp up to the mid 80's and keep doing gravel vacs, you can also keep the light on when doing this.
with a bit of luck the spots will be disappearing and all thats needed is the high temperature and gravel vacs but if you still see spots after a few days then start the salt treatment or go back to a med such as protozin, but remember to keep the light off for this treatment and the temp high.
if you want to try the salt then add 1 level teaspoon per gallon and twelve hours later add another level teaspoon per gallon. do this again after another 12 hours and this will give you a .3% solution. you will need to do regular water changes of around 30% to keep the gravel clean but remember to add the salt back.
when all the spots have gone then do small water changes without adding the salt to bring the solution back to 0.
I would only reccommend this if you dont see any improvement with the meds and the high temp and gravel vacs as it is quite dangerous for the little neons.

good luck and thanks for the pm

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Sadly we have lost all but one of our neons and I do not think he will be there when I get home from work later on.
The platies only have a few lil spots now but mainly have a mucus all over them, some worse than others (but I am assuming this is what the fish produce as a result of stress and illness)
We are on day 2 of triple dose and the platys appear much happier...dorsal fins nice and open and eating the Daphnia we have started to use. But my black marbel angel's side fins are still cloudy with holes!!!!! But he is feeding and seems to manage in the calmer parts of the tank.

What are the real advantages of using salt Would it be worth trying???

We have another problem....we need to move the tank as we are having some building work done !!!! Good god..we don't stand a chance do we
What do you recommend??

 

[black angel]

thats a shame, what rotten luck.

i would just concentrate now on keeping your water stats stable , and at the end of the treatment add charcoal and do frequent temperature matched water changes. keep the temperature at around 80f. what you are looking at now is the secondary infections brought on by the stress.
as for the salt i would use a gentle solution to help with the healing. add aquarium salt to just .1% which is 1 level teaspoon per gallon and see how they go with that.
salt is really good for killing parasites but does help to stop anything like fungus from taking hold. once the tank has been going for a week with the salt and you havent noticed much change then try a bacterial remedy or one for fin rot.
once again sorry for your losses and good luck with moving the tank.

 

[AngelMax]

thats a shame, what rotten luck.

i would just concentrate now on keeping your water stats stable , and at the end of the treatment add charcoal and do frequent temperature matched water changes. keep the temperature at around 80f. what you are looking at now is the secondary infections brought on by the stress.
as for the salt i would use a gentle solution to help with the healing. add aquarium salt to just .1% which is 1 level teaspoon per gallon and see how they go with that.
salt is really good for killing parasites but does help to stop anything like fungus from taking hold. once the tank has been going for a week with the salt and you havent noticed much change then try a bacterial remedy or one for fin rot.
once again sorry for your losses and good luck with moving the tank.

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Thanks Black Angel You have been great.... you live & learn.
So very sad I couldn't do more for them...
I am coming round to the fact that you really do not start learning until you lose some fish....the hard way.
Once again...thanks