Turtle In Fish Aquarium

[RockyRaccoon]

are their any small species of turtle that can be put in a community tank? i would increase filtration and provide some sort of land area for the turtle to hang out on.

 

[afishdude]

No, all aquatic turtles eat fish.

 

[mixmaster jay]

mabe a mississippi map or a false map they only get to around 5" shell and they are full of life (we keep them + a cumberland turtle who lives in my pond and a baby chinese softshell) to keep a turtle you will need a turtle dock or an area which is dry so the turtle can completly dry off under a basking heat lamp (we use r80 house hold bulbs from B&Q @ £2 for 4) a uvb 10.0 bulb or tube so the turtle can shed its shell huge filtration because they are constantly wee,ing which= ammonia and there poo's can clog up hob filters within hours so they are no good water quality has to be good too, dony use any substrate as they will eat it and this causes impaction and its deadly to them you can use pebbles or slate chippings but they have to be big enough not to be eaten also they can eat your fish too but non of mine have'nt. All these things are very important for a healthy life ,i would really advise to have a large tank to itsself due to the amount of waste they do produce, have a look at my sig there is a link to our website and there is some care sheets on there if you have any questions pm me and i will help you out as much as i can mate

no they dont non of mine do mate and never have done i have tried feeder fish and they still alive now lol

 

[afishdude]

From what i've read and 12 years of turtle keeping, they eat fish. When they are grown on pellets and other foods they will not eat fish but in the wild, 90% of the food source is dead and alive fish.

 

[mixmaster jay]

well yeah in the wild of course they do but its not very often you can get a wild turtle in a lfs or petshop to be fair nowadays they are farm bred

 

[afishdude]

That's why I don't get mine in pet shops I pick a few up every year while checking people on the local waters. I bring them home when they are 1" (2.5cm) and let them go when they get big enough to eat my goldfish in the pond. They are fed a natural diet (bugs, worms, small fish).

 

[star4]

I have a mississippi map turtle living with a kissing gourami and a red tailed black shark. The turtle with stand on a rock with all his legs out and let the shark nibble away all the dead skin when he is moulting.

 

[mixmaster jay]

That's why I don't get mine in pet shops I pick a few up every year while checking people on the local waters. I bring them home when they are 1" (2.5cm) and let them go when they get big enough to eat my goldfish in the pond. They are fed a natural diet (bugs, worms, small fish).

well if anything mate that probably doing more harm than good as they would get used to people being around them or in close proximity and make them tame and they get used to getting food handed to them on a plate so to speak which stops them hunting like they should i disagree with taking animals direct from the wild like that and it shouldn't be done in my oppinian its wrong to do so (plus illegal here to release them into the wild or back into the wild as they are not native here) do you see my piont of view mate

btw im not trying to cause an arguement here just putting my piont across and im sorry if people don't like it

 

[afishdude]

That's why I don't get mine in pet shops I pick a few up every year while checking people on the local waters. I bring them home when they are 1" (2.5cm) and let them go when they get big enough to eat my goldfish in the pond. They are fed a natural diet (bugs, worms, small fish).

well if anything mate that probably doing more harm than good as they would get used to people being around them or in close proximity and make them tame and they get used to getting food handed to them on a plate so to speak which stops them hunting like they should i disagree with taking animals direct from the wild like that and it shouldn't be done in my oppinian its wrong to do so (plus illegal here to release them into the wild or back into the wild as they are not native here) do you see my piont of view mate

btw im not trying to cause an arguement here just putting my piont across and im sorry if people don't like it

I understand your point but I am a conservation officer so I know the laws. It is legal to take them and legal release them as long as you contact the DNR conservation officer (me).

I got my degree (4 year biology 4 year environmental) from one of the most well known schools in the USA. Durring that time we studied the effects of humans on wildlife and found that fish, turtles, and frogs reverted to their natural state in less than 24 hours after releasing them. Even the ones that we raised in farms (never seen the wild) and released into the rivers tagged survived.

 

[saltynay]

afishdude I find that quite strange as amphibians amongst other animals revert to their place of birth usually to breed do they simply abandon their instincts for what is convenient?

I think this is the nature versus nurture argument all over again which is more or less like flipping a coin as there are so many arguments for both. My aunty recently had a rotweiler which bit a child, now this rotweiler was given a very fair and nice home and had all the comforts of a pedigree dog which due to their expense are especially cared for and it gave a warning (not a deep proper bite) to a child who was stroking it in its own home, it lives with another dog so play biting with other dogs is accepted but the dog is 2+ year old so any human biting is strictly not allowed as my aunty has 2 small children. Sadly this dog has had to be put down due to the attack on a small child, it is rotweiler so it is bred to guard and be powerful but as you read in the papers of people being attacked by dogs, it gives the view that the animal must of been trained poorly or been abused, whilst I swear this dog was treated excellently and from one of the finest breeders within the UK which caused great expense for my relations. Does nature or nurture command an animal? I believe personality is a serious role in an animals character and they can change within an instant. I believe it depends how far an animal is from its "wild" instincts on whether it will do unexpected behaviour but unexpected behaviour is always possible .like kick backs from a previous gene pool.

 

[mixmaster jay]

yeah i know you are a conservation officer and i know stuidies have shown that but its my opinian i feel that they dont have that fear of people which they should naturally have thus other people picking them up and taking them home and not caring for them properly because lack of research and general ignerance about these awesome creatures, there is a ybs in a cannal down the road from me and thats been released it is very happy but also not scared of humans or dogs in the slightest and swims towards you gets out the water and one o0f these days it will get bit or mal treated i fear but no authorities will do anything about it and we can't pick it up bacause if we are seen we will not be allowed to relaese it here as ive said illegall as its not native to here but i am upgrading my pond soon so i might take it in im not sure yet

 

[afishdude]

Well you should also take into consideration that the fish, turtles, and frogs that we studied never had the hands on love and care like some have. They were in 15'X15'X5' glass 'tanks' in a controlled room. They were never hand fed or taken out and handled. The sole purpose of the study was to see if the animals would know to eat and adapt to the local lakes, rivers, and ponds which over 90% of them did.

afishdude I find that quite strange as amphibians amongst other animals revert to their place of birth usually to breed do they simply abandon their instincts for what is convenient?

I think this is the nature versus nurture argument all over again which is more or less like flipping a coin as there are so many arguments for both. My aunty recently had a rotweiler which bit a child, now this rotweiler was given a very fair and nice home and had all the comforts of a pedigree dog which due to their expense are especially cared for and it gave a warning (not a deep proper bite) to a child who was stroking it in its own home, it lives with another dog so play biting with other dogs is accepted but the dog is 2+ year old so any human biting is strictly not allowed as my aunty has 2 small children. Sadly this dog has had to be put down due to the attack on a small child, it is rotweiler so it is bred to guard and be powerful but as you read in the papers of people being attacked by dogs, it gives the view that the animal must of been trained poorly or been abused, whilst I swear this dog was treated excellently and from one of the finest breeders within the UK which caused great expense for my relations. Does nature or nurture command an animal? I believe personality is a serious role in an animals character and they can change within an instant. I believe it depends how far an animal is from its "wild" instincts on whether it will do unexpected behaviour but unexpected behaviour is always possible .like kick backs from a previous gene pool.

They are not stupid animals. As soon as they figure out that the food you are giving them is the norm they will act on it. But when you take that away they revert back to what is natural to them (hunting).

In the case of the dog, its nature is to attack and defend. It simply followed its nature to defend.

 

[saltynay]

But this is not how these animals are kept in the real world.... I have taken my ADF out of the tank and watch them hop around the room whilst they are fully aquatic frogs, humans directly change these animals environment and different people treat them differently.


Defend from a family friend who frequently is in the house as she is living less then half a mile from her friends house whom is my niece. Yes rotweilers are hyper defensive, I have been with my cousins and my tickle attacks have made the dogs bark at me but never give a bite or anything offensive, this was a quite unprovoked attack of a dog which thought a child was another dog and treated it as such, the animal was brilliant and I love it still but it did flip and show the unpredictably of its species. I believe this expands to all animals including humans.

 

[mixmaster jay]

yeah but 99% of released turtles are well handled not just caught for studying purposes thats what im trying to say people buy them dont do the research of how much care does actually they need in respect of uvb/basking foods and most of all size is a big facter people over look as alot get too big for the average size aquarium and they get released or deseased and die things like that, thats why i rescue them we have 4 turtles now 1 4" cumberland (in the pond) one 2" chinese soft shell possibly malayan soft shell which was kept in a little chinese container (about 6" x 4" x 2") we rescued them this week and a 4.5" male male false map and a 4" female mississippi map they got dumped outside a school 120 miles from me and they are in a 5x2x2 and the soft shell has a 4x18x18 all to itself lol all have more than enough filtrarion and im currently converting my 2 large brick built sheds into fish houses for rescued fish and turtles which is proving to be quite hard lol