Troublesome Zebra Danio

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Hi all,

I'm a newbie, so thanks in advance for any help/advice. I had a small tropical freshwater tank about 10 years ago so know some basics, but have forgotten a lot as well.

Let me set the stage:
About 6 weeks ago I set up a new 20 gal tank with my girlfriend. We let it cycle for a couple of days (heater and filter running) with some flakes added to start the ammonia cycle, then visited the LFS. They recommended starting with a couple of hardy fish, so we got a longfinned zebra danio, glofish danio, and a gourami. They all got along just fine, but after 2 weeks the glofish and gourami had died and the tank was showing elevated nitrite levels, with ammonia and nitrate at acceptable (low) levels. We did weekly 20% water changes and started treating all the water with Prime which we were told would help with the nitrite. After about two weeks the nitrite levels were back down so we bought another two zebrafish to school with the one remaining zebrafish. Both the new fish were slightly smaller than the existing longfinned zebra.

Since the moment the new fish were introduced into the tank, the resident zebra harassed them almost incessantly by chasing them around the tank and in circles. He especially liked chasing the larger of the two fish. He also became more aggressive during the morning feeding period. I know a little chasing behavior is fairly normal, but this seemed excessive and was almost non-stop. After 3 days the larger of the two new zebras was swimming slowly with his mouth open. I put him in a breeder net in the tank just to give him some space from the other fish, but he died later that day. The two fish are now the sole occupants of the tank.

My concern is that the resident zebrafish stressed/harassed him enough to cause his early demise. The existing 2 zebras aren't schooling at all and instead the smaller one tries to stay away from the larger one. I have heard repeatedly that these fish need schools (3-6 fish) to be healthy, but I am worried that any more zebras that I buy will simply be chased to their death. So I have a couple of questions:

1- Is this behavior by the zebrafish normal?

2- I want to establish a healthy fish population/diversity in the tank. How/what type of fish do I add to the tank that won't be harassed by the zebra? Do I add more zebras, or maybe a larger fish species? Ideally I'd like to get fan-tailed guppies.)

Any advice/opinion is REALLY appreciated. Thanks!!!
 
To me it sounds like you didn't leave the tank to cycle for long enough and that was the cause of the Glofish and Gourami's deaths. You need to keep Zebra Danios in a group of 6+ to dissipate the aggression and stop single fish being targetted and chased to their death. The Longfin could be male and the other (the now dead one) could have been a female and he was chasing it to try and breed OR the now dead one could have been a male and he was establishing his dominance.

Chasing is very normal among shoaling species and as I said earlier should be quelled by adding more to bulk out the group.

If you do this I doubt you will have any problem and you will be able to add more fish. I would not suggest guppies as, in my opinion, they are very weak and do not last. I would suggest adding a pair of feature cichlids such as Bolivian Rams, Apistogramma or True Rams - the species depends on your water conditions.

I would suggest you test your water again and make sure everything is OK before adding any more fish.

Good Luck,
AmazonFTW
(Feel free to contact me if you feel you need more information)
 
Thanks for the reply. I got the water tested as the LPS and found that the ammonia was too high. After a water change and a week it tested fine so I picked up 3 more zebras and an oto. It's been 3 days and they all appear fine. The new zebras are bigger than the old long-finned troublemaker so he didn't have much luck chasing them. They all appear much calmer that they're in a bigger group. The smallest zebra doesn't really hang out with the rest, maybe due to his size? But no one is being chased hardly at all. Great advice on upping the bulk. We may add a couple more zebras once the tank has stabilized at its new population but didn't want to add too much bulk at once.

I'd love to get a pair of rams or similar. Unfortunately Petsmart doesn't carry them and won't order them. I also have a Petco nearby but their website doesn't show any of the fish you mentioned. Any ideas on how to get a couple? I haven't done the reading yet but imagine they are fairly sensitive to water hardness or other water characteristics? I've also looked around on Craigslist without much success. I'm in zip 23188 if that helps any. Thanks again for your help.

A random question- I have 3 live Amazon sword plants that have been in the tank since the beginning. What's the best way of doing water changes without disturbing them with the siphon? I'm afraid of disrupting their roots but also want to clean the gravel around them.
 
Also, Danios are not 'aggressive' in a traditional sense, but they will harass others of their kind for sure. Best way to diffuse the aggression is adding more fish. IE I have 5 Danios (had 6) and they are much better than when I just had two.
 
First off, it seems you didn't cycle your filter. You are now what's called a fish in cycle. Please read up on this in the beginners resource centre.

Like what has been said, danios need to be in groups of their own kind and need to be in groups of 6 minimum. Some people would suggest12 at a minimum though.

The key to fish keeping is research so you know what your doing 100%. Also, you will need to buy your own water testing kit. Use a liquid test rather than test strips. They're more accurate.

Good luck.
 
Yes my tank likely wasn't cycled properly at the beginning. I had read about cycling and bought hardy fish to do the cycling, but they didn't all make it :(

I agree research is critical. That's why I'm using this forum! I know a bit about basic fish-keeping but want to learn and share with you all.

I did a search of the forums but didn't find anything that described how to siphon a tank with live plants without damaging their roots.
 
12 at a minimum is serious -- my group of 6 turned into 5 and they are fine, but there are also rasboras and gouramis and a betta around. I have brazilian pennywort for floating cover too and everyone seems to get on just fine.
 
12 at a minimum is serious -- my group of 6 turned into 5 and they are fine, but there are also rasboras and gouramis and a betta around. I have brazilian pennywort for floating cover too and everyone seems to get on just fine.

Whilst not trying to start an argument I must point out this, how do you know the fish are fine? Because they swim and eat? I always went by the theory of 6 minimum but they do better in larger groups.
 
I did a search of the forums but didn't find anything that described how to siphon a tank with live plants without damaging their roots.


to answer your question, just dont jam your vac down near the roots, the plants like the fish waste anyways. make sure u vac everywhere else tho :) the roots should be well enough secured they shouldnt have any issues.
 
Thanks for your siphon help CrazyAirborne. One of my plants still isn't firmly rooted after 1.5 months but I'll just steer well clear of him.

Update, with 5 zebras in the tank they are all getting along fine. The otto died a couple days ago mysteriously- the water tested fine. I added 3 male fantail guppies yesterday and the zebras completely ignored them. Now the tank is looking more full, active, and everyone is happy. I added some more plastic plants to provide some more cover for the guppies. I also wonder if they like floating cover? Any recommendations? I am looking into the dwarf cichlids but am interested in other recommendations for my tank. What sort of fish have people really enjoyed in a community tank? Any suggestions and reasons why are VERY appreciated. Thanks again for the help!
 
For floating cover I'd suggest Limnobium Laevigatum (Amazon Frogbit). It's a great way to get some surface coverage but doesn't stick out of the water. I have been trying to get hold of some but can't find any in my area (in the UK). You could also add Duckweed but this can quickly become an annoyance and cover the entire surface.

As for the cichlids, Checkerboard, Rams and Apistogramma (these require pH 6-7 and acidic) or Bolivian Rams (pH 6.8-7.6, hard) these are the more commonly found species in the hobby.

I suggest 1male 2females of one of these species.

AmazonFTW
 
Thanks AmazonFTW. I imagine you can trim the duckweed to keep it from getting out of control?

PS- I have a pump and airstone that I use sporadically. What are the pros/cons to using it?
 
The duckweed is single little stemmy-things :lol:. Looks like this (|) but nature drew it better. Just net it out and bin in if it begins to overwhelm the top.

By pump do you mean filter? If so this should always be running. If you mean a powerhead, the danios will appreciate the extra flow.

As to the airstone, they aren't needed but help to oxygenate the water which the fish appreciate.

Cons to both - noisy, that's about it.
 
Yea I meant airpump hooked to an airstone. I'll keep running it for a while every day.

I definitely keep the filter running 24/7 :)

I read online that most fish like a variety of flakes and live food. Can I use small chunks of earthworms from my backyard as food? Thanks again.
 

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