Tolak Was Right, I Have A Threesome

LaurieLou

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I never would have believed it, but a litte over a week ago, my male and female angels laid eggs, then the male and I now know, another female were displaying some pretty peculiar behaviour. Well, yesterday, the 2nd female laid eggs. We lost the first batch, but have followed Tolaks instructions and have moved this batch into it's own tank. My main question is this. We have a bbs hatchery and are going to start that up in the next couple of days. What we have deduced from our research, after 24 hours, these bbs will be too big to feed to the baby angelfish, assuming they survive. Do I need to stagger out several batches so every day I have a fresh supply to feed them with? I didn't really want several hatcheries going on my kitchen counters. How is this typically handled?
 
Congrats on the threesome! (that just sounds so wrong :blush: ) I hatch one batch of bbs daily, and put what I don't feed right away into the refrigerator. I feed this in the morning & late afternoon after work, ad in the evening around 9pm or so I feed fresh, and put the rest in a 1 pint used sour cream container. Other breeders I know will get two batches going daily, 12 hours apart. I find refrigerating the bbs in some brine solution slows their metabolism, so they don't grow or consume the yolk sack which contains the nutrition the fry need.

I'm waiting for my wife to finish taking a shower before I go dropping the water pressure doing my hatchery in the basement, so I have a chance to search my docs for a post I saved on how I do mine, here you go;

Secrets? I don't have any secrets; they are all pretty much common knowledge. I can tell you the procedure I follow every night with my hatchery, and what some other folks do as well.

I'm cheap, I use a 2 liter bottle for hatching in, and built a box with a dimmer to contain the light, and heat. The dimmer adjusts the temperature, you can see the setup here; [URL="http://www.fishforums.net/content/New-World-Cichlids/136880/http-www-fishforums-net-index-php-showtopic-136880hl-/"]http://www.fishforums.net/content/New-Worl...opic-136880hl-/[/URL]

You can just as easily use a desk lamp, or other lamp in an enclosed area to keep the temperature at 80F. I imagine a deep drawer from a discarded dressed would work good, a cardboard box would probably be a bad idea due to being more flammable. I've seen people run hatcheries with a 2-liter bottle, and a gooseneck desk lamp on the corner of a table. Anything that provides light 24/7, and a constant temperature of 80F will do.

I used to run my hatchery off of a small air pump; it's hooked into my centralized system now. You do want plenty of aeration; this keeps the artemia cysts suspended in the brine solution.

You can see from the pics in the link how much water I fill with, about 1 1/2 liters. I don't add any dechlorinator, just cold tap water. I add 2 tablespoons of non-iodized salt; I've been using livestock salt, $3 for a 50-pound bag. I told you I was cheap. I also add about 3/4 teaspoon of baking soda, and since doing a little experimenting, 3 drops of chlorine bleach. I've seen breeders add a drop or two of acriflavin instead of bleach; the idea behind either of these is to keep bacteria levels down. The baking soda increases hardness; some folks will use Epsom salt instead.

So, after adding salt, baking soda, bleach and eggs I give the hatchery a good stir, and ignore it until the next night. The next night I pull the hose out of the hatchery, put the hatchery on the table, and shine a bright light on the bottom, this makes the bbs settle to the bottom. I then get what is left from the previous evening hatch out of the fridge, and get my bbs cup, which is nothing more than a large deep plastic cup with a paper coffee filter rubber banded to the top. I take my turkey baster (every aquarist should have a turkey baster) and take the previous hatch out of the old sour cream container I use to store bbs. I have a 1" square hole cut in the top; this lets a little fresh air in during storage. The stored bbs goes into the filter/cup gizmo, and drains while the hatchery is settling. After about 3 minutes I pour a little fresh water into the filter to rinse. A few minutes later I take the baster, and add some of the fresh bbs from the hatchery to the now empty & rinsed out sour cream container. To get past the shells floating at the top, without mixing them in, rub your nose a couple of times with you finger. Touch the surface of the bbs hatchery. Oil from your skin reduces surface tension, and the shells all go to the edge.

Now I add a little more water to the filter, and walk around feeding the older bbs to older fry. Once this is done, I take some of the freshly hatched bbs, and add them to the filter. I go through the same rinsing procedure before feeding these to younger fry. The sour cream container goes in the fridge, the hatchery, hose, and top go to the utility sink for a good rinse and refill, and it starts over again.

This procedure takes about 10 minutes; I try to multitask through it. Many people will get two batches going, one in the morning, and one in the evening. I hate mornings, and don't need this extra 10 minutes of work when I could be sucking down coffee; one batch daily being refrigerated has worked fine for years.



You will have to experiment a bit with how much salt, baking soda, or epsom salt to add to get the optimum hatching rate. This should give you a good starting point.
 
Wow, Tolak, it is unbelievable the knowledge you posess when it comes to these fish. Amazing. I had read from someone else that they froze in ice cube trays extra bbs with water and just let the cubes melt in the tank when it was feeding time. Not sure how I feel about that. For right now I think we are going to set up another 2 liter bottle and go every 12 hours. Assuming these eggs hatch, and I actually have fry to raise, we will just keep playing around with it until we get it right. With 2 females,1 busy male and 2 batches of eggs in a week, we could be getting alot of practice! Thanks for all the info Tolak, it is really appreciated.
 
Freezing is good if you are going to be away for a few days, and the fry are already a week or more old. The movement of the live bbs triggers their feeding instinct, they actually have to learn to eat at first. I had my son do the frozen bbs feedings for a day last July when we went on a short trip to Wisconsin, he did the same last year for several days, and the fry did fine. It just takes a little planning ahead, pulling extra spawns a month before to compensate for not pulling any for a couple weeks before being absent.

You pick up a lot of tricks from different areas besides personal experience. Besides the internet & personal experience I can't suggest strongly enough joining a local aquatics club. There are so many old timers that don't do anything on the computer, but have so much knowledge. Check out http://fins.actwin.com/dir/clubs.php to find a club near you. Some of the links are outdated, but googling the club name will often connect you with their site.
 
I just wanted to give a quick update. This is so exciting for us, we now have wigglers! We are on day 3, and just about all of them are moving. It looks like we have about 30-40 of them, approx, so not alot, but only 5 ended up going white. At this point, I feel successful. Even if we lose most of them, just getting to this point says to me, we can do this.
 

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