Tinfoil Emergency - On Back/side

[metalcherry]

Please dont leave me so soon!!!!!!!!!!!

I have recently had a ammonia spike in my tank (see sig) and i lost a lot of well loved fish which were at least a few years old

the tank is a 85gallon tri

after sorting the tank - renewing the pebbles (corral stone and sand) new plants and new fish (abino oscar and a tinfoil barb - both babies) i put them in yesterday (after doing test - see below for results)

ammonia : 0ppm
Nitrite: 0ppm
highph: 7.4
ph: 7.6
nitrate: 0

i put the fish in and they both seemed fine yesterday and this afternoon - no signs of distress.

i came back just there (5 hours since left) and my tinfoils on his back but swimming fine.

i tested the water for ammonia, nitrite, ph and high pm and exactly the same results as above.
i checked the tinfoil out and there is no cloudy eye like the previous attack on my previous fish and his fins are not clamped but there is one slight strand of blood on his top fin but hardly noticable and there is a slight spec of blood in his left eye at the bottom.

I changed the water 25% which i was advised to do to keep ammonia levels down which i have been advised to do daily for now until they are stable.

he is swimming away fine, but only upside down.

i put in metholine blue which i have been told can help them if they are displaying any problems such as this - antifungal / general solution with antiseptic properties, i was told recently that if the events repeat themselves change the water as above and add this in as well as anti internal bacterial solution which can help signs of disease

Someone please suggest if there are any problems - my heating level is at 28 d/c which is the temp which it has always been at.

i cant take another death so soon - the oscar seems unphased but im too scared to look now incase there is a problem with him now

 

[metalcherry]

just checked the fish and its swimming about but on his back and bobbing about the bottom of the tank still but occasionally swims up to the top of the tank but not the normal way but straight up vertically

hes defenately got life in him but the meds still dont seem to have worked, can someone suggest what else might be wrong with him if poss

 

[-germ-]

Swimbladder disorder....
Possibly a bacterial infection, what does the med you mentioned treat?
Also commonly related to hypoxia or some form of poisoning, they are recent additions aren't they, have you checked your water stats?
Maybe you stoced up too quickly?

Be quick if you can i'm on a break

If you don't reply in time i'd get the water tester asap if you don't have one, increase water changes as much as you can up to 60% daily until water tested (if there are toxins continue with water changes until tank i properly cycled), treat with an anti-bac (if methylene isn't one) make sure oxygenation is optimal.....
Erm...
Keep an eye out for signs of dropsy, feed shelled pea and keep high protein food down for the time being....

 

[Nismo]

If there have still been fish in the tank since the deaths, there would have to be a reading of something.. Nitrates if the tank is fully cycled.. If thats the case are you using a liquid test kit, or strips? Strips are not the best for accuracy. If using liquid and its still in date then you must be performing the test incorrectly.
What are the current stocking levels of the tank? And what was it before the deaths?
By the list of the deaths, the bio load if it was in a single 85gal would be incredible.
Nitrates would be absoloutely through the roof, with out 90% w/c per day.
Thats my thinking for the problems any way...

 

[metalcherry]

sadly the tinfoil passed - there were no fish left after my last incident - both the oscar and tinfoil are new fish = in tank for 2 days.

the tinfoil had no signs of what the last fish were displaying, as i said above, he had one slight streak of blood on his top fin and a slight spec of blood on his eye but that was it, he was swimming around happily and there were no real signs of distress.

he passed away today, found him under an ornament he used to swim in and out of. the oscar is prefect (touch wood) there is no signs at all of problems, he is swimming about fine.

i tested the water and they were exactly the same as the above first results, i changed the water 25% and the aquarium was matured so i made sure everything was fine before i put any fish in.
The test that i use is liquids and not strips.

i put in some meds for internal bacterial problems because i was told that it might be a problem but they did not do very much

im being overly motherly to oscar now, im just very nervous to lose another one, does anyone know anything that i can put in that might help the aquarium along, the oscar seems fine but i was hit by an ammonia spike before - i kept some of the previous water in like before and everything else is all new, so there was some bacteria still there for them to be safe. someone suggested darios as "sacrifice fish" to help establish the tank

thanks xx