They Are Dropping Like Flies And I Don't Know What To Do

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Salam

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I am having a major problem with my betta sorority. I haven't said anything yet, because I was hoping it was just a 'bad batch', but now it is getting ridiculous. I have just cried my eyes out because yet another one has died :sad:

Quick story: I got a new tank and added a filter with mature media in it. I added some ammonia which was processed within 12 hours, so I knew that it was safe to add my fish.

Firstly I put three otos and six pygmy cories in. They were all fine (and they still are!).

Then the next day I added eight female crowntail bettas to the tank. I was so excited that I even started a mini journal on them. It was my pretty, girly tank filled with little divas. All bettas came from the same source, I picked them up at this guy's house who basically works from his shed. He doesn't live far from me, so when I knew that he was picking them up from his supplier I straight went and got them. They were still in their original bag from the supplier.

First two days, no problems. All fed well, there was nice movement in the tank and no aggression. Third day, one died. Ok, maybe a weak one I thought. Fourth day, two others were dead. Fifth day, another two. Sixth day, one more. So in less than a week I had six deaths. I obviously checked all the stats and everything came back perfect. What I noticed though was that all of them had VERY bloated bellys when they died. So I suspected dropsy.

So, me back to the fish seller and complained. I knew they were not in his water as they were still in the bags from the supplier, but I thought it must have been something with the supplier's water. He promised to replace them f.o.c..

Ok, so I waited a little as he had to get them first. In the meantime, otos and pygmys and remaining two bettas have the tank for themselves, but all happy and no more deaths.

Then last week he finally got me six new crowntails. He said they were from a different supplier, but I don't really trust that as he told me he got a DOA guarantee so probably same supplier. I was hopeful that it the others died of a disease and that the new batch would do better. How wrong I was! It's now a week and I am back down to four. Four deaths within a week again! Two of the remaining survivors are from the original batch, the other two are newer ones.

The fourth one (well in total tenth one!!!) has died in front of my eyes. She was at the top, suddenly lost her balance and dead. It was like two minutes! Honestly, I've never cried this much for a fish. Her belly was huge and it literally popped open! I also noticed this on the other lighter coloured ones that died before.

Again, I checked all the stats and it all came back perfect. I just don't know what to do anymore. They are dropping like flies, I don't want them to suffer, I don't know what's going on. Please someone help! From googling I can only suspect dropsy (although I never fed any live food to them) or tuberculosis. And both are unstoppable. While all this is happening the pygmys and otos are as happy as ever, so it must be some kind of betta disease.

Tank size: 80 litres / 25 gallon
pH: 7.4
ammonia: 0
nitrite: 0
nitrate: 10
kH: unknown
gH: 8
tank temp: 26

Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior): See above

Volume and Frequency of water changes: twice weekly, 25%

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank: None

Tank inhabitants: Remaining four crowntail bettas, six pygmy cories, three otos

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration): See above, the new bettas

Exposure to chemicals: None

Digital photo (include if possible):

I have photos, but they are VERY distressing. I don't know how to hide them in a spoiler, maybe a moderator can do this so people only click if they are ok seeing it. Please be warned, it's not a nice sight, so for now only scroll down if you are not eating or you can bottle it.

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While I cannot help much with your Betta losses, I'm sorry for your losses. But please quarantine new purchases for at leat a couple of weeks, if you buy any new fish of any type, don't keep adding them immediately to your main tank risking the health of your whole community. If whatever is killing the female Bettas is contagious, it is possible you have contaminated your tank of seemingly few healthy Bettas; Otos and Pygmy Corydoras.

Did you ever test the water in the fish bags (pH; gH; ammonia; nitrite)?

How were you acclimitising the fish to your tank water?
 
What are you feeding them, Salam?
I once fed Catfish pellets to my bettas and they had almost popped bellies.
 
While I cannot help much with your Betta losses, I'm sorry for your losses. But please quarantine new purchases for at leat a couple of weeks, if you buy any new fish of any type, don't keep adding them immediately to your main tank risking the health of your whole community. If whatever is killing the female Bettas is contagious, it is possible you have contaminated your tank of seemingly few healthy Bettas; Otos and Pygmy Corydoras.

Did you ever test the water in the fish bags (pH; gH; ammonia; nitrite)?

How were you acclimitising the fish to your tank water?

I know I should quarantine, but with the first batch especially I didn't see a problem, as they all came from the same supplier, same time. Thankfully the pygmys and otos are fine, so it must be some kind of contagious betta disease and I'm just puzzled what it exactly could be and what will happen next. I'm worried the remaining four will also die and there is nothing I can do :( And what then? Thinking of scrapping the sorority as it really is breaking my heart watching them die, but would it be safe adding the otos and pygmys to other community tanks?

I never checked the water in the fish bag, I was so excited that day to have my bettas, that I just trusted the source. I didn't expect them to drop dead within days.

I always use the drip method and I take us much time as possible, so that shouldn't be the problem. Float for an hour, then open bag and for the next hour or so always add a bit more of my tank water.


What are you feeding them, Salam?
I once fed Catfish pellets to my bettas and they had almost popped bellies.

Flakes and dry bloodworm (not the pellets, the floating stuff). I also have a cucumber or courgette in every now and then for the otos mainly, but have seen the bettas munch on them too.

Oh, and regarding the feeding. The one that died today, died about 5pm. Last feed was yesterday 6pm, so 23 hours in between. If it was something with wrong digestion or so, I would guess it should have happened before.
 
There are a lot of people having problems with girls... I know someone who's lost over 150 in the space of about 1-2 months...

She's been through it 3 times and has quarntined for a month before adding to the sorority tank.

I know someone else who been through it twice and each time it's wiped out her females but nothing else in the tank, she also quarantined for a month.

It's not just you, it's a load of people. We don't know what it is as nothing treats it and once the fish get it they're doomed...
 
Oh no, that doesn't sound good paradise. In fact, it's shocking. I wish I understood why. It's so heartbraking. I was so happy to have this tank and I am just crying over it now, they were my pretty girls :sad:

What can I do now? Can I safely remove the other fish to other tanks and let nature take it's course? Because at the moment I'm not hopeful that the remaining four will last long.
 
Well, other than that, have they been pooping normally and not white?
Only other thing besides some internal parasite would be eggs that they cannot lay because there is no male around, but I haven't heard about this happening to bettas and a lot of people have been keeping sororities successfully...
 
Yes, normal poop. How would I know if it could have been a problem with eggs? I mean the last one looks like she literally burst on the inside.
 
Yes, normal poop. How would I know if it could have been a problem with eggs? I mean the last one looks like she literally burst on the inside.
I don't know, I never had problems with egg layers like this. (my bettas ATE my egg layers anyway...)
But they can't all be having the same problem so fast, it could be an internal parasite, but not sure which. If poop is ok, it's not hexamita. Maybe try some anti-parasite meds if this keeps happening.
 
I don't think it could have anything to do with eggs, it would be a major design flaw :/ not to mention they are usually only "eggy" when being conditioned for breeding by being exposed to a male...
 
Ok, so parasite it is. Wish I knew which one, because it's killing them and it's killing them fast. They look perfectly fine one day and next day dead.
 
Ok, so parasite it is. Wish I knew which one, because it's killing them and it's killing them fast. They look perfectly fine one day and next day dead.
Then get some parasite meds, although it could also be a bacteria...
 
Oh no, that doesn't sound good paradise. In fact, it's shocking. I wish I understood why. It's so heartbraking. I was so happy to have this tank and I am just crying over it now, they were my pretty girls :sad:

What can I do now? Can I safely remove the other fish to other tanks and let nature take it's course? Because at the moment I'm not hopeful that the remaining four will last long.

There's nothing you can do...
Your best leaving the other fish in there as other people have found that if they have other species in their sorority tank they carry the disease but don't die from it :(

Ok, so parasite it is. Wish I knew which one, because it's killing them and it's killing them fast. They look perfectly fine one day and next day dead.
Then get some parasite meds, although it could also be a bacteria...

There are no meds that will treat it... People have tried everything including Heximita medication, nothing. Everyone has tried different brands of Internal Parasite treatments and Internal Bacteria treatments :(

I'm so sorry to hear it's hit yet another person.
Are you on Facebook? If you want help with it I can only suggest joining the Betta Splendens group on Facebook and talking with other people who've had problems with it.
 
Oh no, that doesn't sound good paradise. In fact, it's shocking. I wish I understood why. It's so heartbraking. I was so happy to have this tank and I am just crying over it now, they were my pretty girls :sad:

What can I do now? Can I safely remove the other fish to other tanks and let nature take it's course? Because at the moment I'm not hopeful that the remaining four will last long.

There's nothing you can do...
Your best leaving the other fish in there as other people have found that if they have other species in their sorority tank they carry the disease but don't die from it :(

Ok, so parasite it is. Wish I knew which one, because it's killing them and it's killing them fast. They look perfectly fine one day and next day dead.
Then get some parasite meds, although it could also be a bacteria...

There are no meds that will treat it... People have tried everything including Heximita medication, nothing. Everyone has tried different brands of Internal Parasite treatments and Internal Bacteria treatments :(

I'm so sorry to hear it's hit yet another person.
Are you on Facebook? If you want help with it I can only suggest joining the Betta Splendens group on Facebook and talking with other people who've had problems with it.
If it's like dropsy, it can be caused by a disease that might get cured by something, even if others tried it and didn't work for them, specifically because dropsy can have different causes.
 
Hi Salam

So sorry for what you're going through!

This may not be helpful - I'm posting on the off chance. I've just been through something similar myself. Lost around 17 siamese girls, from two different suppliers (one of whom always has exceptionally healthy, strong stock). I noticed they hung round the surface for a day or two and then developed dropsy, sometimes singly, sometimes a few at once. The 6 corydoras in the tank were just fine, as was the golden bristlenose.

I talked to a fish specialist in one of my lfs. After going through a whole process of elimination (water tests etc. etc.) and continuing to lose fish, he suggested that, very very occasionally a cory (or other species, more often from Brazil) can carry some types of disease that are unfamiliar to the immune system of species from other places and can kill a species vulnerable to the particular type of illness.

I hadn't been able to treat any of my girls successfully with anything (medicine/water changes/salt etc) and didn't want more suffering so I euthanized any fish showing any signs of illness. Emptied my tank, replaced the substrate, sterilised all live plants and wood in potassium permanganate solution, sterilised every millimeter of the tank with bleach/water dilution and threw away the filter media. What a hassle.

The two surviving girls (showing no symptoms at all) went through a Furan 2 treatment in a hospital tank (gram - and gram + antibiotic) and, separately, the corydoras went through 2 treatments of Furan 2 (one after the other) also in a hospital tank.

I re-set up the tank with cycled media from other (healthy) tanks, added the treated girls, waited two weeks. They were fine so added the corydoras, waited two weeks. All was well so I got more siamese girls from the same hatching from the same supplier as before and everyone has been healthy and happy since.

I don't want to put people off corydoras - it may have been an unidentified 'something' in my tank that was wiped out by the sterilisation blitz. If it was a cory carrier, it was an incredibly rare occurrence. I'd buy corys again in a heartbeat without worrying and have them in all my tanks. I just know how gutted I was and wanted to post in case any of it is useful.
 

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