The Curious Case Of The Blue Ram Sick Boys.

Maximumbob

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Hey guys,

2 weeks ago I introduced 2 german blue rams into my established tank. One developed a fungal infection at the anterior tip of his dorsal fin... after a few days this spread to the other ram who had 3 X 1-2mm cotton wool growths on the top of his/her head.

I treated with protozin and at the end of the course the rams fungus has pretty much cleared up. The difficulty now is that I have noticed small white dots on their fins - these are very small in diameter 0.5 - 1mm. I suspect that its ich, but am puzzeled as to how it could develop during a course of protozin (a whitespot med)??? I was about to pop in a charcoal filter pad into the tank to remove the last of the protozin when i noticed the spots. What do I do next?

Info follows:

Tank size: 180 litres
pH: 6.8-7.2
ammonia: 0
nitrite: 0
nitrate: 10-20 ppm
kH: 3
gH: 8
tank temp: 25

Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior):
The rams seem much happier without the fungal infection, they were hiding in my java fern a lot. Appetite seems to be returning a little, and colour has improved slightly.

Volume and Frequency of water changes: 60 litre water changes every 7-10 days

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank: Treatment - protozin. Setup - Eheim 2324 thermo with mech/pro media - DIY CO2 adding potassium sulphate 3 times weekly and trace 3 times weekly. No charcoal filter.

Tank inhabitants: 4 golden panchax(3m1f), 3 dwarf blue gourami's (1m2f), pictus cat, 1 bristlenose plec (stealthy boy - not seen him in over a month), 1 SAE, 2 silver tip tetras 4 swordtails(2m2f - 1 female currently in breeder tank), 2 blue rams.

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration): SAE and the 2 rams. I also did a medium sized tidy of the plants and introduced some amazon swords & removed some indian fern, changed the Co2 diffuser for cleaning (replaced with a wood defuser). I still have the internal juwel filter in situ, but have had it running alongside my eheim for over a month, and recently have been removing approx 1 filter sponge per fortnight with the view of removing it in a few weeks leaving just eheim in situ.

Unfortunately I am unable to provide a digi pic as my son broke my camera earlier this week :crazy:

thanks for help in advance

Max

edit: Tank has been up and running for over 1 year. No ammonia, or nitrite levels above 0 since the start. Nitrates initially varied 20-40 in first 6 months.... difficult to get them above 10ppm currently.. am considering adding nitrates to water colum for plant ferts.
 
Turn temp up to 30 and increase aeration.
Good luck.
 
So you think its ich thats managed to slip through the med... Should I treat again with protozin, or switch to interpet anti white spot. (I have some of that in the cupboard)
 
If the spots look like grains of salt on the fins yes its whitespot.
 
So you think its ich thats managed to slip through the med... Should I treat again with protozin, or switch to interpet anti white spot. (I have some of that in the cupboard)

Start again with a full dose of Protozin. If that doesn't cure it, nothing will. If the whitespot didn't start until you'd already begun treating the fish for the fungus, the remaining treatment won't have been enough to get rid of the whitespot.
 
So you think its ich thats managed to slip through the med... Should I treat again with protozin, or switch to interpet anti white spot. (I have some of that in the cupboard)

Start again with a full dose of Protozin. If that doesn't cure it, nothing will. If the whitespot didn't start until you'd already begun treating the fish for the fungus, the remaining treatment won't have been enough to get rid of the whitespot.

agreed
 

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