Something Seriously Wrong - Platy

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Hello...I hope you can help...

After I fed my fish tonight I noticed one of my platy was acting extremely out of sorts - darting around the tank, alternating between clamped fins and spread out completely rigid with the tail seeming to curve around. Long black poo hanging out.

This fish had not been entirely 'normal' for some time (more about that below) but never this bad - worried I took her out and made up a bucket of tankwater with some aquarium salt in it and put her in for half an hour. I searched the forum while I was dissolving the salt for an exact technique for a salt bath but couldnt find a concrete answer so I did my best with what I found. While in the bucket the fish was mostly still, beating her pectoral fins rapidly, the tail curving around to the side a lot, occasionally the whole fish would be kinda rigid, and when viewed from above sometimes created an elongated "S' shape if you can imagine that. Sometimes she looked straight. Oddly enough, she did one black poo when I put her in, and towards the end of the half hour she did a pale poo. After the half hour I've put her back in the main tank - she went back being all clamped up :-(.

Now this fish hasn't always been normal for awhile - she tries to hang out with the other two platies but my male only likes my other female and frequently chases her away. NOT chasing/following her as in he wants to mate with her - but aggressive chasing AWAY. Previously I've thought it was kinda sad that she seemed keen for some action but the male doesn't want anything to do with her. So often she hides by herself in corners, clamping up occasionally. I just figured she was the least dominant fish and being picked on all the time made her depressed. She's a bit smaller than the other two. But she always came out for food and ate well. My fish get peas when we do so I don't think its a constipation thing. She flicks occasionally too..see next paragraph. I'm pretty sure she had babies within the last week - she's mostly white and quite transparent - I could see babies in her last week but not anymore so I figure she's had them recently and my fish had a fry feast.

I catch a number of my fish flicking very sporadically (although lately the platy described above the most) - as in I'll see a fish do it quite a bit in a day then not again for weeks (I watch a lot). I've seen the platies do it, some of the cories (seem to do a couple of 'barrel rolls' across the gravel), my gourami once or twice (but when he was new, probably getting used to new tank?) - most of the time the fish is aiming at their gills. Never seen my cardinals do it. I thought mentioning the other fish behaviour might be important.
I'm convinced its NOT ich because this sporadic flicking has been going on for many weeks with no development of ich spots or any kind of fungus-y growth on anybody. I thought maybe flukes? But I didn't want to go throwing tons of meds in the tank and do more harm than good when other than the occasional flick the fish were all healthy, eating, and acting normal. In fact, my other two platy were quite bad for awhile with the flicking and clamped fins but seem to have stopped almost entirely. Again, all my fish eat very well and are otherwise active. But now this platy was acting completely crazy...:crazy:

My tank stats - ammonia - 0, nitrite - 0, nitrate 10-20, ph around 7.2-7.4. I do about a 30% change once a week.
Tank is 148L/39 gal, containing 1 pearl gourami, 3 platies, 10 cardinals, and 4 cories. And some pesky pond snails.
Meds I have on hand - Melafix, Pimafix, Sterazin, Protozin, Myxazin.

Please tell me what I should do in this situation - whether I should treat....what with...whole tank or not....etc. Whether I should keep up the salt baths, if so, can someone tell me the exact dosage. I figure mine can't have been too high because another thread described how fish can roll over and pass out...

Thanks in advance. This platy was one of my first fish and I'd really like to help her if something is seriously wrong here. :-(
 
Dealing with flukes by the sounds of it to internal parsites.
Signs of flukes first.
Losing weight.
Fllicking and rubbing.
Laboured breathing.
Swimming in a jerly movement.
Pale gills with excess mucas on them, or red and inflamed.
White opague body.

Internal parasites.
Going thin or bloating up, bent spine.
red inflamed or enlarged anus.



Worms prutruding from the anus.
White long stringy poo.
Translucent poo.
 
Thanks Wilder

Ok, I don't think there's been any drastic weight changes - its a female platy so they always look kind of round. Yes, she's been flicking and rubbing on plants quite a lot for awhile, usually aimed at the gills Last night her swimming was all over the place - but usually she just kind of hides in corners out of the light. White opaque body - it's a white fish anyway!!! So I really can't tell a difference there. I've put an *OLD* picture of the fish I had below so you ca see what I mean about the colouring. One thing though - since I took that pic she has a lot more of those spots on her sides - but would this just be normal colour development? You can't see in that pic cos of the reflection but cos of her colouring she has pink "cheeks" around her gills - so its hard to judge whether they're red or not. It's only a small fish so its hard!
Calico_Platy.JPG

Only bending is the bending I described above - when people say bent spine I don't know if you mean bent sideways when looking from above (like my fish) or whether when looking horizontally the tail is pointing up or down - like this kinda - "^" but she doesn't seem to have that. I'm not 100% sure about the anus (again colouring issue) but it does look a little red. She did those strange poops I described above.
Nothing hanging out of her - only when she poos, and its been how I described above.

So which med do you think I should treat with? (If at all) Is it worthwhile keeping up salt baths? (Heard they can help with killing flukes???) Should I treat the whole tank or just her?

Thanks
 
Not sure on meds in your country I would treat for internal parasites.
 
I think out of what I have Sterazin would be most appropriate.

Treat just her or is the whole tank likely to be affected?
 
Not to hyjack your thread Southerncross, but my fish have white stringy poo occasionaly and flick occasionaly, I watch my guys a lot too, but that's all, I hope they don't have parasites, sounds scarey!
 
Not to hyjack your thread Southerncross, but my fish have white stringy poo occasionaly and flick occasionaly, I watch my guys a lot too, but that's all, I hope they don't have parasites, sounds scarey!
They probably do :blink: .Fish are not ment to do that :no:
 
Just updating...

I've given her another two salt baths today. Figured it couldn't hurt. She's still eating very well. Not constipated.

BUT watching the tank after they got fed I noticed that it's not only the red male chasing her around - my yellow female is having a go at her too! What's going on??? I thought platies were peaceful with each other - and I never thought a female would attack another one! Look at the pic - she's DEFINITELY a platy right? Not a swordtail mixed up and that's why they don't like her? Would depression from being attacked/harassed by the other platies (who she just tries so hard to be friends with! ) be causing all her problems? Like I said, she's still eating at least. But she's not grown near as much as my other two have since I've gotten them - I got all 3 together. I read females are supposed to be larger than males but she's definitely smaller than them both.

Speculation:
Could her being so stressed from harassment make her susceptible to getting a higher number of gill flukes which would be an explanation for her flicking? I read that flukes exist in all aquariums, but usually the fishes' immune systems keep their numbers low. Is my information correct? If she's stressed all the time, I assume this would lower her immune system. Cos other than the clamping and hiding the flicking is really the only other consistently obvious symptom. I thought if I truly had a bad fluke problem, all fish would be affected. If it was bad parasites or something wouldn't she have died or at least gotten worse and stopped eating by now?

I've posted in the livebearer forum too - also asked if whether I should get a couple more platy females but I don't know whether that would improve or potentially aggravate the situation. Am awaiting responses here and there...:-(

Sorry about my millions of questions - I read lots and sometimes I can't remember whats true and what isnt...
 
Fish will attach a sick fish, yes flukes can make them flick and also they can get that internally as well.
 

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