Something Is Wiping Out The Fish In My Tank.

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Tank size: 65 litres
pH: 7.2
ammonia: 0.0 (About 5 days ago there was about 0.1ish, but after cleaning out the totally clogged filter, this was rectified.)
nitrite: 1.0 (Very unusual. Established tank with water tested in the last day or two showing 0.0. Note: There has been the dead body of a rather large betta in the tank all night :-( )
nitrate: 10 (Tank is due for water change.)
kH: Unknown
gH: Unknown
tank temp: 27 celcius

Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior):

It starts with an area of 'grey' scales that look dead. Usually a small area. The fish seems to swim normally. This then starts to spread and the fish begins to act sick - hiding, staying at the surface (usually at the back of the tank), not eating very well, not swimming very well, looking pale, showing stress stripes. It literally looks like their bodies are dying - like decay is spreading. Eventually (or not, in Lilith's case), it reaches their vital organs and brains, and kills them. The dead areas look a little fungal, but it doesn't seem like a classic fungal infection. The 'furriness' is very minimal and it's this dead (or dead looking) tissue that is more pronounced.

Volume and Frequency of water changes:

35% ish every week and a half to two weeks. It is a very heavily planted tank so nitrites don't get high fast and at the moment with revision for exams water changes have been fortnightly. Normally they are weekly.

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank:

Anti-fungal medications (yeah, I know, don't medicate before diagnosis. I panicked)
Stress Coat

Tank inhabitants:

Was: 6 female bettas, 11 neon tetras, 4 corys, a shrimp

Is: 3 female bettas (one dying), 8 neon tetras, 3 corys, a shrimp

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration):

I was bad. I added 3 bettas (one of which died within days) two weeks ago. Then I added three more just over a week ago (all three died). Monitored water chemistry during this time and no spikes. Also added 4 neon tetra that I had had in Q/T for two weeks. Some of the dead fish showed the same symptoms I am seeing here so I believe they added it to the tank. No plants or decorations added recently.

Exposure to chemicals:

Minimal. The tank is in my bedroom and I am careful about deodorants etc.

Digital photo (include if possible):

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Lilith is dead. This is the 9th fish to die from this tank in two weeks. Originally the only dying fish had been a group of very sickly girls that I got from P@H. Now, two of my 'original' fish have died - Lilith and a cory.

Some of the deaths seem to be explained by 'accidents' with the filter, but now I am not so sure. So many deaths all at once is making me think something is at least weakening the fish so that the filter can suck them up or they can be bullied to death.

In Lilith's case, she showed some very odd and scary symptoms, which were also shared by some of the dead girls from P@H.

Rei is also sick.

I am ripping the tank apart, disinfecting everything and putting everyone into isolation. Until this gets diagnosed, I won't be medicating unless there is something general I could do.
 
It sounds like columnaris to me.
Need to rule parasites out first though.

Any signs of flicking and rubbing, excess mucas, darting, laboured breathing or gasping at surface of tank.

How many fish do you have left now as the tank was overstocked.

http://www.flippersandfins.net/flexibacter.htm
 
It sounds like columnaris to me.
Need to rule parasites out first though.

Any signs of flicking and rubbing, excess mucas, darting, laboured breathing or gasping at surface of tank.

How many fish do you have left now as the tank was overstocked.

[URL="http://www.flippersandfins.net/flexibacter.htm"]http://www.flippersandfins.net/flexibacter.htm[/URL]

Yeah, I know it was overstocked. It sort of became a holding tank while my sorority was cycling. Apart from that one blip cased by a clogged filter, it had always had very good water quality and was a very stable environment.

No signs of flicking, rubbing, excess mucas (although as I've never seen that I don't know if I would recognise it). Breathing was a little laboured but given the columnaris (I think it was that) was affecting the head and gills, this isn't surprising.

No fish in tank now. All are in individual isolation. Doing water changes on tubs and they are kept at a stable 27 celcius in my now sauna like dining room. Tank is being disinfected with milton solution and boiling water, as is all my equpiment.

The currently sick fish, Rei, has worsened. Her head is very dark (not normal) and this seems to be progressing slowly up ber body. She doesn't have much of the fungusy-looking stuff that the others had, although there was some this morning. Her gills are looking brown and she keeps shooting across her tub, banging into things and then lying motionless. She isn't really breathing from the surface much and her gills are moving pretty slowly. She has been fully dosed with anti-internal bacteria meds. I wish I had something broader to give her that would deal with internal and external stuff, but I don't, so I picked the internal. I also have Myxazin but obviously she's not been given that. She isn't interested in food, although I have tried tempting her with brineshrimp soaked in garlic.

The tank has been stripped and disinfected. Should I leave them all in their tubs (which is stressing them out), or put them back in the tank and just rely on a course of medication, aeration and water changes to keep them healthy? I also have my sorority tank, which while not fully cycled, will easily handle a small number of fish (the filter is processing over 5ppm of ammonia within about 36 hours and the nitrates and climbing rapidly, although I've not seen the nitrites hit zero yet - obviously I would do a full water change if I was to use that tank).

What do you think I should do? Am I doing the right thing?

Also (and I hope unrelated) - one of my males seems to have a fluid build up in his abdomen. He is not passing solids and has not done so for a day or so. I *think* is is just constipation, and he's fasting and has had a pea, but the sheer size of his abdomen is causing his scales to raise a little. He has no trouble swimming and seems happy and active. The thing that is worrying me is the fluid build up. When he swims so that the light is behind him, you can see this area of translucence behind the food he is failing to pass. I hope it isn't dropsy. He has also been isolated, as have his tank mates. Ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate 10. ph 7.5. All *should* be OK. No additions to the tank for a while, although I did move a couple of my males around, but I've had them all for a while with little sign of ill-health. What do you think?
 
Btw, Rei just died. Any help still appareciated. I want to know how to treat this.
 
It looks very like the mouth rot that killed my betta, Tango, a few weeks ago. It was agreed it looked like columnaris. Thread with pics here. Treatment was myxazin, but overdosing can affect your filter bacteria. He died within hours, but I finished the 5 day course and hope it's fine to introduce another fish soon.
Sorry you're going through this, it was horrendous to watch one die, but to see lots go must be unbearable :-(
 
R.I.P.

For columnaris in the uk myxazin by waterlife and pimafix.


COLUMNARIS
The hospital tank should be heated to approx. 74 degrees. 76 and above is the ideal breeding temperature for columnaris. Though there is some dispute over lowering the temperature, my experience has been that 72 is too low for the medication to work rapidly, 76+ causes the disease to breed more rapidly than the anti-biotic can kill, and 74 is "just right." Remember to keep this temperature stable!
 
Thanks. I should have used the myxazin then, LOL! The disease progressed far too fast to make much of a difference, I think. I treated with anti-fungal last night as a knee jerk reaction to seeing the white stuff. Won't make that mistake again!

This has been a rather painful learning curve for me.
 
Do a water change and run some black carbon for aday.
Then add myxazin by waterlife and pimafix.
 

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