Sick Angels

[chipper_222]

Got to find out then why your ammonia and nitrite readings not 0.
Do you preform a gravel vac when you do a water change.
Do you over feed your fish.
How many gallons does your filter turn over and hour.

I not getting any colour when I do the NH3 and NO2 tests, the chart says if there is no colour then the result is less than 0.01mg/L which I assume is effectively zero.

 

[WILDER]

Ok thats fine then.
Good luck.

 

[Tolak]

With most any antibiotic it is suggested to change 25% of the water daily & remed. Continue medication for at least 10 days. I usually do a 50% water change.

 

[chipper_222]

After doing a 50% water change yesterday and further medicating today it looks like 2 of my Angels are starting to improve slightly. They are spending more time at the front of the tank and eating more vigorously. All still have swelling/redness around where the pectoral fin attaches to their body (after hours of searching the net still can't find any possibilities to the cause or whether this will improve) and all still showing signs of white slimey coating.

Hopefully they are on the improve!!

Tested my water today results are as follow;

NH3: 0mg/L
NO2: 0mg/L
NO3: 2.5mg/L
pH: 6.7

I thought after medicating my tank it would go through a mini cycle but so far there has been no spike in Ammonia or Nitrite?

Chip

 

[WILDER]

How long have you been using the med for now.
Producing extra slime coat can mean the fish are protecting themselves from something. parasites, bacterial, ph shock.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing.

 

[chipper_222]

How long have you been using the med for now.
Producing extra slime coat can mean the fish are protecting themselves from something. parasites, bacterial, ph shock.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing.

The Med. required 2 dosings, performed the 2nd dosing yesterday.

Still no signs of flicking or rubbing.

Chip

 

[Tolak]

Two doses alone is not going to do much. I've made enough long distance phone calls to these folks to know better than that. http/www.nationalfishpharm.com/products5.html

Any sulfa drug is going to take daily dosing & remed. Most antibiotics work this way, and not just with fish.

 

[chipper_222]

Two doses alone is not going to do much. I've made enough long distance phone calls to these folks to know better than that. [URL="http/www.nationalfishpharm.com/products5.html"]http/www.nationalfishpharm.com/products5.html[/URL]

Any sulfa drug is going to take daily dosing & remed. Most antibiotics work this way, and not just with fish.

Oh, I guess it doesn't pay to follow the directions and what the LFS says then.

I'm assuming these sulfa drugs kill the good bacteria also? My ammonia and nitrite levels haven't moved off 0ppm since dosing began, I thought I would have to cycle again?

Chip

 

[chipper_222]

Two doses alone is not going to do much. I've made enough long distance phone calls to these folks to know better than that. <a href="http/www.nationalfishpharm.com/products5.html" target="_blank">http/www.nationalfishpharm.com/products5.html</a>

Any sulfa drug is going to take daily dosing & remed. Most antibiotics work this way, and not just with fish.

Tolak, this is the product I used;

http/www.aristopet.com.au/userfiles/File...lpha%20INFO.pdf

are you saying the directions are wrong and I should be dosing every day?

Is it possible that the active ingredients in the tablets I use are present in higher concentrations meaning that only 2 doses are required?

Chip

 

[mike os]

redness at the fin base is often indicative of septicaemia, for which I would generally try oxytetracycline hydrochloride

the skin infection should be treatable with this or the sulfa drug you are using, but will take several days to clear.

I generally don't like sulfa based antibiotics many bacteria can build up resistance to the drug when dosage is too low or not completed adequately, so the correct dose and repeat is very important.

 

[Tolak]

Yes, I'm telling you the directions are wrong, as is your lfs. If you look at the dosage rate stated in the site I linked to you will see that it says 1/4 teaspoon. This equals approximately 400mg.

If you total up the numbers on the bottle that you linked to it totals up to 462.3mg, which is ballpark enough for medicating fish. The medications are the same, triple sulfa is a very coomon medication.

As mike os stated, the correct dose is important, resistant bacterial strains are very difficult to treat. Oxytet is the drug of choice due to so many strains being resistant to other antibiotics.

 

[chipper_222]

redness at the fin base is often indicative of septicaemia, for which I would generally try oxytetracycline hydrochloride

the skin infection should be treatable with this or the sulfa drug you are using, but will take several days to clear.

I generally don't like sulfa based antibiotics many bacteria can build up resistance to the drug when dosage is too low or not completed adequately, so the correct dose and repeat is very important.

Is Oxytetracycline Hydrochloride sold at LFS's?

 

[mike os]

possibly, dont know the rules down there. otherwise a vet?

 

[chipper_222]

Over the last week I have continued with the Tri-Sulfa medication and it appears that all four Angels are making a good recovery. The redness is looking better by the day and they are gradually getting the colours back.

Thanks everyone for your help!!

Chip

 

[WILDER]

Glad there on the mend.
Don't cut the med to short for it to flare back up.
Good Luck.