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pica_nuttalli

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ok, for some reason it completely escaped my notice that the pinned topic i needed to read on receiving live fish has been relocated. :X i've got the plecs i bought off aquabid coming in tomorrow and i'm not sure on how to unpack them!

what the guy told me:
When fish are shipped ammonia builds up in the bags. If you drip acclimate your fish then you run the risk of giving them ammonia poisoning. The ph in the bag will be low, but the ammonia level will be elevated. Once you start dripping, the ph will start to rise in the water and once it reaches 7.0, the ammonia will become toxic. Your fish may not show signs of any problems for several days, but then they will start to die off one-by-one if this occurs. The best way to acclimate the fish is to just float the bag in the tank that the fish are going to go into for 10-15 minutes. Then, either pour htem into a bucket and scoop them out, or pour them into a net over the sink and drop them right into the tank. As long as your ph isn't much lower in the tank than they're used to, then you shouldn't have any problems. I do this with hundreds of fish every month. The ph in my tank is 7.7. If the ph in your tanks is a good bit lower than this, then the fish will suffer from ph shock and that can be deadly too.

my tap is in the 6.2~6.8 range; my tank's the same but w/ driftwood! :crazy: what should i do??

current plan: setup a bucket of clean water; use either baking soda or pH up to match 7.7; put fish in there first then follow standard drip-method acclimation before transferring to the main tank.

suggestions??
 
No idea on suggestions, I'm afraid, but I did a lot of hunting for that pinned topic and couldn't find it either.. I searched for everything in this forum, went through the last like, ten pages and I couldn't find it anywhere.
I think it's been relocated to the mod's forum until they rearrange all the pinned topics.
 
The pinned topics will be returning soon in a new format.

in the meantime, here's the content of the one you need:

Sorrell said:
You can successfully ship fish if you follow a couple simple procedures. Stop feeding the fish 24 hours before they are set to be shipped, fish with a full belly don't ship well. Make sure you are ready to take your fish to the post office so they are in the box the shortest amount of time possible.

Don't ship your fish in brand new water, do a water change the day before and then ship in tank water. Use the smallest bag to accomadate the fish you are shipping. The larger the bag, the more sloshing the fish will endure on his trip. Fill the bag 25-35% full, more air then water is what's important. Fill the rest of the bag with air and rubber band it tightly. You'll then want to double bag your fish by inserting the bag with the fish rubber band side first into the second bag. Then rubberband the second bag off.

Your box should consist of a styrofaom cooler, a cardboard box, and packing peanuts, newspaper, or anything the pack the bags in tightly. You'll want to add some packing material to the bottom of your cooler. Next add your bag or bags of fish and then surround them tightly with packing material so they will stay in the position for the entire time they are in the box. The last thing you want is for them to roll all over the place in transit. Cover them completely with your packing and add the styrofoam lid and tape it in place. If you are shipping in unfavorable weather conditions consider a heat pack or an ice pack. If you use one, tape it securely to the inside lid of your cooler. NEVER place it where it will have contact with your bags of fish and make sure it has plenty of material in between it and the fish. Tape your box closed well and label it with something to the extent of "LIVE FISH" or "THIS END UP" or both.

If possible ship the fish overnight, it's worth the money. I personally prefer for the person to have to sign for the box so they don't end up sitting on a person's porch all day long. Just make sure that shipper and receiver are both communicating and are aware of when the fish will arrive.

When you are recieving shipped fish you can take action to make sure they have an easy transition. Open you box in a dim lit room. These fish have been in darkness for at least 24 hours and they need to be adjusted to the light gradually. When you have your fish out of the box they need to be slowly acclimated to your own water before they are released. It may be a good idea to ask your shipper what their water looks like so you have an idea what your fish are going to have to adjust to. You'll want to either float your bags in the tank or empty the fish with water into a cup for acclimation. Add small amounts of your tank water to the bag or cup over a period of about an hour. Net the fish and add it to your tank and discard the water in the bag. It's best to keep the tank lights off while the new arrival settles in. If the fish is going into a community tank, quarantine would be best. Wait a few hours for them to settle in before offering food and you should be fine :thumbs:
 
Why did the mod's remove the pinned topics? Can't they make the new format without removing the pinned topics? I have on several occasions needed to re-read a pinned topic and I couldn't find it.
 
The pinned should be back soon (HINT TO MODS READING THIS, ANY CHANCE OF HURRYING UP WITH THE EMERGENCY FORUM PINNED TOPICS). Anyways, Why not do a water change not long before you are getting the new fish? That way you are not adding any ammonia.
 
:* thanks guys! i did essentially just as i said i would and am still working on matching the bucket water to my tank as we speak (drip method is trickier than it sounds)

i'm not really sure what you mean though, Feeshy. care to clarify?
 
:X :X :X d'oh!!

...can't just drip in tank water to bucket as is
...used baking soda instead of pH Up
...bucket water is now exceptionally well-buffered

:X :X :X

time to start bailing i suppose. :S
 
i just acllimate them the same way i acclimate fish i buy at stores... I always take my time to acclimate new fish so i do nothing different really...
 
pica_nuttalli said:
:X :X :X d'oh!!

...can't just drip in tank water to bucket as is
...used baking soda instead of pH Up
...bucket water is now exceptionally well-buffered

:X :X :X

time to start bailing i suppose. :S
I dont know what you mean but that but if you used the right amount of bs (very little) you shouldn't have any problems. Just pour a little water in with the bucket water everynow and then until you get the right ph. I'm sure they'll be fine.

The PH in a planted tank can raise from 6.7 to 7.7 within hours and vice versa due to oxygen/co2 exchange. Its no big deal to the fish.
 
a buffered solution is chemically resistant to change in pH; higher levels of KH (such as created by using baking soda) will result in well-buffered solutions.

:*) i just guessed on how much baking soda to put in my bucket and settled on .25 tsp per 1 gallon. :/ less than brilliant; i've been replacing water all night w/ only a .5 change in pH. however, i also have been slowly adjusting my tank with some calculated ratios (thank you chem book) to hopefully meet halfway at some point tomorrow.

since the plecs i bought are in virtually brand-new water, i just threw in some seeded filter floss next to the airstone and called it a night.
 

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