Sexing orange chromides

Lenna

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I have two orange chromides in my brackish tank and I was wondering if there is any reliable way of sexing them? The LFS bloke semd to think they were a male and female judging by the size difference. He also mentioned something about the males having white edges to their dorsal and anal fins. I think he'd know because he has bred them in the past. However, I have not been able to see this on mine and was wondering if this is only seen during breeding. Thanks :)
 
Lenna,

Sexing orange chromides is difficult. Like most cichlids that share broodcare equally, each sex looks much like the other (most notoriously, as with angelfish). It also depends on the strain; the wild, greenish type is easier to sex that the artificial bright orange type. Typically, males are more brightly coloured than the females at breeding time, but this varies and isn't consistently useful.

I'm told -- but I've not seen this myself -- that orange chromides are among the very few cichlids that can change sex. This is quite common in the damselfish family, which are the closest relatives to the cichlids; anemone fish, for example, routinely change sex depending on which fish is dominant in the social group.

Realistically, as with angels and other non-dimorphic cichlids, the safest approach is to keep a small group and let them pair off naturally. Remove "spare" fish once you have a pair, either to another tank or back to the retailer. In a reasonably large tank (say 100 litres or more) you can probably keep four of five fish without any problems even if one pair does decide to breed.

Personally, I'd recommend keeping the other fish around in case one of the fish in the pair turns out to be a bad parent or infertile. This is not uncommon with inbred, artificial strains. Having "enemies" in the tank with them is also a good way to cement the pair bond, and cichlids that have something to focus their attention on are usually the best parents. Obviously, this is only fair if the spare fish have space and places to hide, so they aren't constantly attacked.

On the whole these are good fish, and funnily enough someone sent me a bit of video of their orange chromides taking their family of fry around the tank. Very, very cute. His fry weren't fed on anything specific, just general aquarium detritus and fine flake. So probably as with kribensis, you'll probably want to let some algae and mulm build up in the tank instead of trying to keep it spotlessly clean.

Cheers,

Neale
 
Thanks, great information. Do you think I could safely add a few more orange chromides to this tank (it's only a 15g) to get a pair? I know the LFS will let me take back any spares. BTW they are the wild type, not the bright orange knid.
 
Lenna,

I think it's worth a shot. Certainly they aren't going to kill each other overnight if you make a mistake.

With cichlids (usually) the larger the group, the less serious aggression towards any one specimen tends to be, but the downside to this is obviously filtration and aeration, so use this approach with caution.

Cheers,

Neale

Do you think I could safely add a few more orange chromides to this tank (it's only a 15g) to get a pair?
 
The guy in the LFS gave me another two chromides :D Hopefully I'll get a pair, then I'll be returning the spares. I already have an airstone in the tank and I'll crank up the filtration. There's plenty of slate caves and a few small flower pots, so hopefully they'll not be too aggressive towards each other.
 
Cool. Let us know how things go! These are really nice fish, and the best bit is that you're looking at a "living fossil" as far as cichlid evolution goes; these things are anatomically as well as ecologically halfway between the cichlids and their marine relatives like damselfish.

Cheers,

Neale

The guy in the LFS gave me another two chromides :D Hopefully I'll get a pair, then I'll be returning the spares. I already have an airstone in the tank and I'll crank up the filtration. There's plenty of slate caves and a few small flower pots, so hopefully they'll not be too aggressive towards each other.
 

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