Sexing Gbrs

[rammingspeed]

I'm not a very good learner without evidence of things in front of my face..and so, I was wondering if anyone could identify what I have here in regards to sex by these two videos.

I apologize for the length but I was waiting for a behavior I witnessed yesterday which they didn't seem to want to do in front of the camera...buggers. The one I'm certain is male was caressing the other and seemed to be displaying with all fins extended to their limit. Also for the first time he was displaying aggression toward everything but the other ram for once (who he's been chasing for about a week now, luckily not causing fin damage). At the beginning of the second video you'll see a tiny taste of the aggression I'm talking about toward the other ram.

I've had both rams for about a month (brought them home together) and purchased them as juveniles.

Shortly after bringing them home the one I -think- may be the female now (never raises dorsal fin in the videos) showed a lot of color, and even had a high dorsal fin. Yesterday his/her stripes faded away and he/she started to show more peachy-ish color.


http/www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo4znL42bRw
http/www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rvnqt62yKg

Any help is more than appreciated.

 

[Phage]

I think you have a male and a female. But it is hard for me to tell from the video. The more colorful looks like a male. I bought rams as a pair and the male would chase the female nonstop. I was worried for awhile. But he settled down and they are great together. My female also chases fish but nothing serious. My male ram took on my 10" pleco for it going in its territory. Ram won lol... I have a video somewhere. They don't do much harm though.

These are my rams:

Male has a longer front protrusion on the dorsal fin and the female has a pinker belly.

I love your setup as well. What other fish do you have?

 

[rammingspeed]

Wow the pictures and doodles (even though I've browsed like 40 websites with pictures) really helped. lol! I've just been so confused by all the characteristic differences and some people saying their ''mates'' are identical and the male showing mixed behavior. BUT after looking at this I did notice a less than 1/4" difference in the first 1 or 2 dorsal fin spikes, which seems to point to you being right.

And if what you're saying is true than the past week of him going nuts tailing and nipping ''her'' should end soon, and the behavior I saw two days ago should take over. He was actually turning almost completely horizontal (side to the ground) while nearby ''her'' as though he were posing or dancing or something. Also he's been keeping his fins extended to their fullest much more recently.

Anyway thanks for lifting the blinders so to speak. The doodles really help. lol

Thanks for your compliment.

Also in this tank are 6 panda corys, 8 amano shrimp, a striped raphael catfish (which will have to go soon if I expect to save any eggs) , and 3 celebes rainbows. The rainbows are going to a friend soon who took two catfish from me several months ago which are still doing great. The rams seem to rather not have them around. At least the male. lol

I don't know what I'm gonna do if they do breed in this tank. Not like I can just shove a divider in there 26" tall. I'm also wondering if the amano shrimp would go nuts over eggs...They'd be jumping the fence even if I hooked up some sort of DIY divider..ugh

 

[Phage]

I need pictures too a lot of the time. Hehe. Glad I helped I want shrimp but my angelfish will eat them I thought about buying some larger types like Bamboo Shrimp. The panda cories are really cute too. I've been thinking about getting a few of those or a couple more syno's. I have one syno and he seems lonely. Yea it would be hard to keep the eggs. Maybe they will lay them in/on something you can remove like inside a clay pot.