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Hi all,

I've just brought 2 new blue rams, I was told they were male and female but I'm now starting to think they are both male, due to them constantly chasing each other, where they have been chasing one has lost all their colour, what do you think?

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Aaron
 
Difficult to say, as the left fish is washed out (from the stress obviously) and the ovipositor is not visible.  Two males is likely, but having said that, rams do not usually accept any female so it is best to let them pair up on their own.  If you can return the fish to the store and be allowed to select a "pair," you do this by observing the interaction of the fish in the tank for several minutes, without moving to distract them.  It should become obvious which are the males, and if one of them allows another fish to be close this is likely a female he accepts.  The last time I did this, just out of interest, I clearly saw three or four "pairs" in a tank of 12-15 rams.
 
If the present fish in the photo are both males, it is likely that the one on the left will not last long.  Even if no real physical damage is done by the dominant male, the stress caused the other by the dominant will severely weaken it.
 
Byron.
 
Thanks for the reply, would you recommend taking them both back or just the stressed one? I don't know if dobbies take them back either?

Aaron
 
Well, if you want a spawning pair, or just a pair that gets along (they will spawn regardless), I would take both back and select a bonded pair from the tank.  Or you could take back the stressed one and just keep the other.
 
Byron.
 
Thanks again, I will phone tomorrow and see if they will take them back, it's hard to find a pair though as they seem okay and don't really nice till the person in the shop puts their net in then they are scarper, how would you best sec them?

Aaron
 
Stand (or sit) motionless in front of the tank for several minutes, at least 15 or more.  Observe how the fish interact.  Remain as motionless as you can, because when fish see movement outside the tank they usually get sidetracked, so to speak, thinking of possible food, or danger.  As you observe the fish interacting, the males should be pretty obvious, they will be continually "pushing" at other fish of their species.  Once you see this, look for a male that tolerates another less-brightly coloured fish close to him.  This is the easy part.  Once the store person has the tank open and the net goes in, keeping track of the fish you picked out can be tricky.
 
What some aquartists do is to buy several fish and place them in a suitable tank and let a pair form.  Problem with this is that you then have extraneous fish to get rid of, unless one has another largish tank for them.
 
You might have luck returning just the stressed fish, if it happens to be a male, and selecting an obvious female using the same method as above.  The male you have might accept her.  I did this once with the closely-related Bolivian Ram.  The male I had accepted the new female, and they spawned four times.  But I could tell right from the start that their relationship was rather tenuous.  They tolerated each other most of the time, but not all of the time, and after the fourth spawning the male killed her.  And they were in a 5-foot heavily-planted tank, providing plenty of cover for the female.  But obviously not enough to suite the male who just wan't prepared to have her in his space...and this male owns this 5-foot tank and makes that very clear to all the other fish which are corys and tetras.
 
Byron.
 
Hmm I think it would be easier to just get 4 and hope I at least get one pair out of them, knowing my luck I'd get all males still, but then like you said where to put the other 2 unless I hope that the shop would take the other 2 back that aren't needed, doesn't help that they have quite a few fish in a small tank so makes it hard to see which fish is which when the bet goes in

Aaron
 
Took them back to dobbies today and have swapped them both for a male and female so all is now good
 

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