Several Fish! Emergency

[keeton]

hi guys, i posted in the discussion section about my neons but with no response and im getting worried i've come here.
2 of my neons have dull patchs on there red strip, one just has a tiny circle and one with the red strip all dull, but other any that active and healthy
also noticed the other day that one of my cloud white minnows (male i think) was swimming alone above the filter inlet with his fins near clamped but not full and does open them if you get me, he normally swims with the others and the neons.
today i notice that my bala shark has a red stripe down his dorsal fin just behind the black stripe and also a red mark behind his left gill, other wise healthy and active.
my female honey gourami died the other day after going slightly pale and getting abit plump, but have no reason why this is happening as my tank is clean and been cycled for a very long time.
stats from 5 mins ago
ph 7.2
ammonia 0
nitrite 0
nitrate 10

pics:
dull patchs on neons are duller then in photos

cheers

 

[glolite]

Hi there. Red stripes on the skins of tropical fish can often mean bacterial infection. I would treat the whole tank with eSHa 2000 which is a good all round bacterial, fungus and finrot treatment, especially as one fish has already died.

Have you recenly added more fish or new decor?

 

[keeton]

the fish that died had no marks at all, just went pale and slightly plump and couple of days before but i thought she was egging up. the neons dont have the red gills or red marks so not sure what you treat them with.

the only thing i've added recently was 1 male guppy and 3 females but they were in my QT tank for 2 weeks

cheers

 

[glolite]

Mm strange. Hang on in there for some more opinions. Sometimes it takes a while for members to respond but the more replies you get the clearer the answer may be. Good luck.

 

[WILDER]

Need to rule out ntd first. As when I had neons it started as a small white patch on the tail.

Signs of ntd are.
Red stripe area will look bleached out. Or a milky substance on red stripe area.
Blue area will turn a yellish colour.
Black linning around the tail area.
Lumps that go to a point.
Fish will be restless and leave shoal.
Odd swimming.
Later stages dropsy, popeye, bent spine.
Do any neons look skinny.

Any redness around the white circle.
Does teh circle look fluffy.
Red gills can be bad water quality, bacterial gill rot, gill flukes.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing, excess mucas, darting, erratic swimming, laboured breathing.
Teh red marks was it like bleeding beneath the skin.
Do the gills look like there bleeding.

How many gallons is the tank.
How many fish and which type.



Septicemia



Symptoms:

Fish may have reddening at fin bases, blood streaks throughout the fins and body, small hemorrhages around the eyes. Dull listless behavior and lack of appetite may also be present.



Cause:

Systemic bacterial infection caused by various bacteria, including Aeromonas, Pseudomonas and Vibrio. The illness is often brought on by poor water quality or as a result of parasitic infestations or other infections. These bacteria enter the blood stream and circulate through the tissues causing inflammation and damage. Inflamed blood vessels in the skin and at fin bases stand out. Blood vessel and heart tissue damage cause hemorrhaging and consequently leakage of body fluids into the abdomen, which may lead to Dropsy.



Treatment:

Water conditions must be improved for all fish in the tank, regardless of how many fish are infected. Check your water’s Treat with Kanacyn or Tetracycline as well as with a medicated food if the fish will eat. If parasites are suspected, all the fish in the tank should be treated with antiparasitic medication. Using salt to help restore osmotic balance might be helpful.

 

[keeton]

hi thanks for the reply.

the red stripe does look milky, but the blue area doesn't look yellowish but a tiny bit green in some lights(at different angles could be reflection of plants). most that i can see have a black line under there red stripe but i dont know whether thats normal or not(never looked that close)
just noticed one or two have lumps that look like eggs between the chest and stomach
fish seem fine, happy and swimming together as normal.

i dont know whether that gap between the paragraphs means that for bala shark or not so i'll answer for neons and bala's
no redness or fluffyness to the white areas.
none of the fish look like they have red gills apart from the bala but thats only on one side but also at base of side fins
no bleeding, flicking or rubbing.
but the bala shark just darted around the tank and jumped at the surface and then floated to the bottom im guessing thats really bad

tank is 30 gallon
fish:
2 bala's (i know i know, but there just under 2 inch's and will be moved to the 100 gallon once my mums sorted it out, 4 weeks tops)
4 guppy
6 white cloud minnows
10 neon tetra
5 peppered cats
2 panda cats
1 bristle nose
3 kuhli loach
3 apple snails
6 amano shrimp

"Fish may have reddening at fin bases, blood streaks throughout the fins and body, small hemorrhages around the eyes. Dull listless behavior and lack of appetite may also be present."

that sounds like my bala apart from the hemorrhages, refused frozen blood worms earlier.
water conditions should be fine as i gravel vac till spotless and do a 50% water change weekly, never heard of Kanacyn or Tetracycline, can these be bought from pets at home? asd i go later after water change and gravel vac, also what medicated food should i get?
does it sound like i have parasites?


thanks for the help so far wilder
really appreciated!!!!

 

[keeton]

sorry but bump

 

[keeton]

yesterday i bought some interpet anti internal bacteria and dosed that and will see if that helps mr shark, he's looking abit worse today and just seen a guppy peck at him

should i get these neons out asap? and what should i do with them?

cheers

 

[WILDER]

Your tanks overstocked for a 30 gallon.
Are you sure ammonia and nitrite are 0.

Let me know how the neons get on with the bacterial med.
As they are showing some symtoms of ntd. If its not bad water quality.

 

[keeton]

hello, sorry for no reply as had problems with internet
im 100% that ammonia and nitrite are 0 as i test regularly.

after i had been to my lfs for some java moss and asked about the neons and bala shark and the women suggested pimafix for the bala, so i did a big water change and have dosed accordingly. anyone had experience with primafix?

also what else can i do other than water changes and gravel vac's to make sure the water quality is good?
cheers

 

[keeton]

just confirmed that the neons have NTD so they will go to QT.

some updated pictures of bala:

 

[WILDER]

You need to destroy the neons as there no cure. Sorry.


Pleistophora (a.k.a. Neon Tetra Disease)



Symptoms:

Pleistophora is also called Neon Tetra Disease because of its high prevalence among Neon Tetras, although it has also been reported to infect most Characins, Cichlids, Cyprinids (i.e., danios), and all the carp-like fishes. It is characterized by a loss of coloration and pale, white patches of skin, particularly the strip of skin beneath the dorsal fin. Other symptoms may include spinal curvature, emaciation, fin deterioration and erratic swimming behavior.



Cause:

The microsporidian parasite Pleistophora hyphessobryconis. Pleistophora live in the muscle tissue of infected fish and cause degeneration and wasting of the muscle. The parasites travel through the fish’s blood, quickly spreading to all areas of the body. Pleistophora not only affect the fish’s muscles but all its internal organs.



Treatment:

There is no effective cure for this illness, partly due to the fact that by the time diagnosis is confirmed the fish is too weak to be saved. If more than one fish in your aquarium succumbs to this parasite, the entire aquarium should be emptied and dissinfected. Some aquarists suggest the use of a diatom filter to trap the spores of the parasite and thus clear them from the tank.

Pleistophora can easily be mistaken for False Neon Disease, which is a bacterial infection and presents with the exact same symptoms. For this reason, it would be wise to remove the infected fish to a hospital tank (while disinfecting the main tank) and treat them with a broad spectrum antibiotic.

 

[keeton]

was told on the PFK forum to just move the neons that have any symtoms which i have done (QT/hospital tank) and just move any of the others that show symtoms, could this be what my bala has?

what should i do with all the other fish and the tank?
any idea's what my bala has?

all the help is much appreciated

 

[WILDER]

Not sure if bala sharks can get ntd.
He dosn't look in very good health.
I would try a bacterial med.

 

[keeton]

should i use the bacterial med as well as the pimafix?