Ro Unit

VictorMeldrew

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Hi all

I am looking to order a RO unit tonight. Its to use for a 100gl tank, i am looking at spending about £60 ish or cheaper would be even better but it must work well, any advice on which one i should get and where to get it would be great.

Thanks
VM
 
we've used RO-Man before and were pleased with the goods and quality of service. got a 3 stage one for about £50, i suspect you'd want something a touch bigger than ours was for a 100 gal so i don;t know if you'd struggle for £60 tbh!
 
Seen this one on ebay item no. 330277097440

Don't know what it's like as I've not heard of the make before but it is quite cheap. Only a 3 stage, and no DI but it's 80gpd so it should be fast enough for you.

I'm looking at RO units myself at the moment, but waiting for THE BARGAIN. I could wait forever!
 
Considering you will get about 1/4 of the stated output if your lucky in summer, I can't see you getting a unit of a sencible size for your tank on that budget TBH :/ Remember that manufacutrers rate their systems at arround 25c water supply with 60psi of pressure. Mains is nearer 30psi with mebe a temperature of 10-15c in summer... That will make a massive difference on output :good:

RO man and Osmotics are the two main players to look at.

How bigger waterchanges are you planning on doing, and how long are you realistically prepaired to wait for your water to collect?

All the best
Rabbut

EDIT for cageUK's reply. I also haven't heard of them before, but you will get mebe 20gpd in summer, with 10- 15gpd more likely in winter and with cooler temperatures ;) If I were doing a 20% wc on a 100g reef, I would not want to be waiting arround 48 hours for the water in winter, but each to their own I guess....
 
EDIT for cageUK's reply. I also haven't heard of them before, but you will get mebe 20gpd in summer, with 10- 15gpd more likely in winter and with cooler temperatures ;) If I were doing a 20% wc on a 100g reef, I would not want to be waiting arround 48 hours for the water in winter, but each to their own I guess....

That's abysmal. How do these guys sleep at night, quoting figures that we are unlikely to achieve?

Well at least I found out now, before I buy one. I'll have to look for something more powerful that I'd originally intended then. Or get a dirty great big tub to store it in.

Cheers for the heads up rabbut :good:
 
manufacturers recommendations for all fish tank equipment are optomistic at best!!!

work out the technical specs you need and compare that rather than trusting their recommendations for tank sizes etc.
 
Hi all

Thanks for the reply's but i am struggling to get my head around this subject as have never seen a RO unit running :rolleyes: How do they work? i was under the impression that you just plumb it in under a sink and you just open some sort of tap and fill buckets from the unit, i am abit confused :blush: i need a crash course on this.

I do not mind spending more if thats what is needed.

Thanks
VM
 
you plumb it in under the sink, turn the tap on when you want to produce some water and water will flow through, you'll have two 'output' tubes one for RO and one for all the other stuff thats been removed, the one for the bad stuff can be stored up to go on your garden (v nuticious for plants!) or just go down the drain and then you use the good stuff for the tank.

RO units will have a rating of a certain number of gallons per day, that's how much 'good' RO you will produce.

Unless you get a massive industrial unit and have somewhere for it to be running and storing up all this water don't expect to be able to turn on the tap, run a few buckets full in 5 mins or so and then switch it off.

From our £50 3 stage unit it would take several hours to get 10 gals or so for a water change.

It was always a case of set it running as soon as we got home from work with the 'good' pipe running into a large bucket, then by the end of the evening we'd have enough for the change and could mix it up with some salt and do the water change.
 
Thanks misswiggle i am getting there :lol: i guess the tap is on the unit or do you mean the main tap for the sink?

don't suppose anyone has a vid of theirs working :lol:
 
Well Vic, hooking it up is a personal choice based on your home/flat/apartment setup. The three common locations are: under the sink, next to a washbasin (if you have a washer/dryer in your place), or above the sink connecting to the faucet. IMO, the washbasin is the best method. You get a Wye garden hose adapter and put that in-line between your washing machine and the main pipes. Then the other side of the wye is connected to the RO supply. Usually these types of wye fittings have their own little valves built-in so that you can turn on the washer (and leave it on) and turn the RO unit on/off. Then, the other end of the RO unit will have 2 outputs, one for "waste" as miss wiggle said, this can be put in a bin for storage and use around the house, or you can put it in the drain of the washbasin. The other is the RO out which you store for your fishies.

Putting the RO unit under the sink is another method. Here you use a "saddle valve" to pierce the coldwater supply pipe to your sink and attach that to the RO supply. Here the waste is again either stored, or set to go down the drain and the RO output is stored.

Lastly, if you have to put it above the sink, you can get a faucet adaptor which screws on to the end of the faucet to supply the unit. This only works with modern faucets and is pretty unsightly, not a great option.

The GPD quoted is in a nice happy magical theory land where main water pressure is 100PSI and temperature is 75F. If you can achieve that, you will actually get the GPD rating out of the membrane. In practice though, most household water pressure is ~30PSI and in the winter, temps drop significantly. Since an RO membrane works by forcing water through the membrane which has tiny tiny pores only big enough for water molecules to go through it, anything that reduces the force will reduce the output... Lower pressure and lower temperature (creating more viscous or thicker water) will of course slow that output down ;)

For your size tank I'd reccomend NO LESS than 75gpd and actually I'd prefer 100gpd. You don't need fancy DI filters or eleventy billion stages, you only need 3 stages (Carbon pre-filter, mechanical prefilter, and RO), the appropriate main connection (garden hose, saddle valve, or faucet connector as explained above), and most importantly a "Fush Valve" or "Flush Kit". Flushing the membrane before each use will GREATLY increase membrane life. Mine's 4 years old and still kicking. Prefilters wear out, but RO membranes last for a long time if regularly flushed :)

Oh and a quick edit, if you can find an RO filter with the 3 stages, flush kit, and appropriate connection cheaply off Ebay, go ahead and get it. RO membranes are stringently manufactured so they're virtually all the same at a specific GPD rating. Also, don't forget a TDS meter!
 

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