READ THIS - NUTRAFIN CO2 USERS

George Farmer

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I thought I'd share my experiences on these excellent little products. This small article assumes that you use your own yeast and bicarbonate of soda rather than the Nutrafin Activator and Stabiliser sachets.

I've been wondering why bi-carbonate of soda is used in the nutrafin units.

After a bit of research I have deduced that it is only relavant as a "stabiliser" for those with soft water. I assume it is added to the water with the sugar and yeast to acheive a more stable environment for the yeast reaction to take place.

So if your tap water has a KH of 4 degrees or more and a GH of 6 degrees or more then try your mixtures without the bi-carb, you should experience none of the white "cloudy/frothy" build-up that often occurs in the bottom of the diffuser.

Here's some other info you may find useful, all calculations are worked from my own experiences -

In approx 30 US Gallons (100 litres) of tank water -

Using these figures you could modify the quantities to suit your tank size by using simple maths i.e ratios.

2 units with 1/2 teaspoon (2.5cc) yeast in each unit will give approx 30 bubbles per minute total which roughly equates to 25 to 30ppm CO2. The bubbles take approx 2 hours to stabilise.

Note - Each unit's mixture is changed alternately every 10 days, 5 days between changing for each unit to acheive a constant CO2 level.

Variables - Ambient (room) temperature i.e. higher = more output. Starting temp. of water in mixture - ensure around 30-35C to speed up CO2 production. Type of yeast, there are many, ensure it is in date and sealed well before storing.

Try to keep the canisters above the diffusers - I have modified the back of my tank to enable the canisters to hang-on. If this isn't an option then use check-valves.

Keep the diffusers fairly clean to ensure bubbles flow freely. I dip mine in a weak bleach solution every few months to remove algae and detritus build-up.

Hopefully this has proved helpful to you guys - I know the Nutrafins are becoming more commonplace. I'm moving on to a pressurized system soon but I will always keep mine as back-up.
 
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Some good info there gf, which I'm sure will be of great help on the forum.

Do you mean 30 bubbles per minute though and not per second?
 
Fab thanks ! I will use the above mixture when I next change and see what results it brings for me.
Do you suggest I add another unit ? I'm serious contemplating this. My pH is (now) aroud 7.4 (used to be 8.2 before CO2) and my KH is at a constant 11. Just not enough CO2 I'm getting I know....

Also, great tip "So if your tap water has a KH of 4 degrees or more and a GH of 6 degrees or more then try your mixtures without the bi-carb, you should experience none of the white "cloudy/frothy" build-up that often occurs in the bottom of the diffuser."
 
How big is the tank Bloo? I added another this weekend as the one I had just wasting doing enough, hopefully 2 will be sufficient.

Will definitely try this out next time I need to change the mixture.
 
I don't want to double post...but I just changed to this recipe in one of my cannisters, and am already getting a 50% improvement on bubbles per minute, and thats after only 45 minutes!

good work George!
 
I've also added a 2nd nutrafin unit last night. I actually forgot how crap the supplied mixture is (even this morning I had no bubbles :/) will prob use my own mixture tonight.

What lighting have you got bloozoo? I've resorted to a 2nd unit to try and combat algae.
 
@ombomb said:
How big is the tank Bloo? I added another this weekend as the one I had just wasting doing enough, hopefully 2 will be sufficient.

Will definitely try this out next time I need to change the mixture.
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It's 19 US gallons - so theoretically it should be fine for 1 unit, but I'm just not getting it :no:
 
Hmmm I may be talking complete rubbish here...

You live in London too, so I imagine your KH / pH was about the same as mine and much higher, before you added the CO2. Could the CO2 be just reducing the hardness / lowering the pH and therefore only a little bit is remaining in the water...?

Original:

pH - 8.2
KH - 15 (mine was anyway)
CO2 = 3ppm

Now

pH - 7.4
KH - 11
C02 = 13ppm

Adding another unit is the obvious solution, but one should be enough, so would using a supplement to raise the KH help?

My second has only been in my 180 litre a couple of days so I'm waiting to see what the readings stabilise at before doing anything else, but I really don't want to add a 3rd.
 
houndour said:
I've also added a 2nd nutrafin unit last night. I actually forgot how crap the supplied mixture is (even this morning I had no bubbles :/) will prob use my own mixture tonight.

What lighting have you got bloozoo? I've resorted to a 2nd unit to try and combat algae.
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I'm using an Arcadia Freshwater (7,500K) with a Dennerle Special Plant (3000K). Bit of an orage colour I'm sort of trying to get used to -_-
 
@ombomb said:
Hmmm I may be talking complete rubbish here...

You live in London too, so I imagine your KH / pH was about the same as mine and much higher, before you added the CO2. Could the CO2 be just reducing the hardness / lowering the pH and therefore only a little bit is remaining in the water...?

Original:

pH - 8.2
KH - 15 (mine was anyway)
CO2 = 3ppm

Now

pH - 7.4
KH - 11
C02 = 13ppm

Adding another unit is the obvious solution, but one should be enough, so would using a supplement to raise the KH help?

My second has only been in my 180 litre a couple of days so I'm waiting to see what the readings stabilise at before doing anything else, but I really don't want to add a 3rd.
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Yeah mine is identical ! I might add another unit then, or am now even contemplating the D&D Freshwater CO2 unit (expensive outlay!) - see other thread with info - to prevent the faffing with changing tubes & mixtures on 2 units etc. every few days - just don't know what to do (sigh).
 
Just add more yeast to your mixture if you arent getting enough bubbles, if you get to many bubbles and your co2 gets to high just add less yeast to the next mixture.

I havent ever used the bicarbonate of soda in my mixtures, seems to work ok so far, my Kh is 1.7 a bit on the low side.

I decided not to use it after i read this, IMO a great article on DIY co2, im sure some of you have seen it allready, gives excellent tips on making DIY reactors also.

Diy co2

Just thinking......maybe i should start useing the bicarb -_-
 
Surely though the bicard in the reactor on stabilises the processes in there, not what happens in the aquarium. If too much yeast is added... do I end up with mixture in my tank? Is it possible to buy a valve that will let the gas through but not the liquid just in case?
 

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