i was watching my gouramis and thinking about what colors that could be made brighter or darker throo breeding i was thinking of breeding a realy dark one and still am going to try that but the other day i saw that some of the gouramis have more orange or no orange on there bottem fin then others i was wondering if you think it Possible to breed a realy full body black typ color yet have the full bottem fin bright orange
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Well, basically, yes. The difficulty is in getting these two colors to exist on the same fish seperately as the pigments responsible for yellow and blue are different. If you think of lavenders (effectively a mix of yellow and blue), you very rarely see one with well-defined areas of each color. It is certainly possible to breed fish with mainly yellow fins and a blue body (I've seen plenty - they are ordinary 'blues' from gold lines) but the distinction isn't clear-cut and I can imagine persuading the body color to darken without affecting the yellow (the blue would likely cover it) is nearly impossible.
what if you were breeding 2 sets of gouramis one set your main aim is a dark body and the other set realy bright fins and then when you have the colors right mixing the 2 together and then breed them back to the parents or siblings 
?....................................from what you said i think one of my blues is from a yellow line cuz he looks like a normal blue but has more yellow on his bottem fin then most i have seen that would be from a yellow parent right ?im going to give breeding a go very soon cuz i got a new heater for a breeding tank i was thinking of trying to breed a lavender i have a blue male a female blue and a gold male and 2 gold females 2 Opaline males and one Platinum male the golds i have look kind of like this http
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Yep, the fin will grow back 
About mixing the two 'lines' - that wouldn't work. You'd simply get an intermediate color. The very fact that you can breed these fish to get darker or lighter gradualy means the intensity of the color is determined by several genes (like skin color in humans) - crossing a dark gold with a light gold (for example) will just give you something medium-gold
For a lavender, I'd expect a blue opaline crossed with a gold from blue lines would work. If you cross a blue opaline with a gold that doesn't have blue anscestry, you're more likely to just get a brownish fish than an actual lavender.
About mixing the two 'lines' - that wouldn't work. You'd simply get an intermediate color. The very fact that you can breed these fish to get darker or lighter gradualy means the intensity of the color is determined by several genes (like skin color in humans) - crossing a dark gold with a light gold (for example) will just give you something medium-gold
For a lavender, I'd expect a blue opaline crossed with a gold from blue lines would work. If you cross a blue opaline with a gold that doesn't have blue anscestry, you're more likely to just get a brownish fish than an actual lavender.
when u said the fin will grow back i am not shore if you understood what i ment cuz as far as i no they are not called fins i cant rember what there call but i mean the 2 long things that look a bit like string typ things that they use to feel thing with one of the gouramis had half of one bitten off as far as i have herd i dont think they grow back but if im wrong i will be very happy cuz i feel sad when i see him like that it makes me think of him like he lost half an arm or some thing 
sooo will it grow back ? .....how can you tell if u have a gold from a blue line?
i am not shore if you understood what i ment cuz as far as i no they are not called fins i cant rember what there call but i mean the 2 long things that look a bit like string typ things that they use to feel thing with one of the gouramis had half of one bitten off as far as i have herd i dont think they grow back but if im wrong i will be very happy cuz i feel sad when i see him like that it makes me think of him like he lost half an arm or some thing sooo will it grow back ? .....how can you tell if u have a gold from a blue line?Yep, those are just modified ventral fins . They are still fins and, yes, they grow back.
Unfortunately, short of breeding them, you can't tell whether a gold comes from blue lines unless you know about its parents/grandparents. You can just try using any gold and hope for the best. Generaly speaking, golds from blue lines tend to have longer fins compared to others of the same sex and color. But this is no sure-fire way of picking them out. What you can do is breed an 'ordinary' gold to a blue and see what you get. If you get muddy-brown fish, try breeding the brown to blue again and see what happens.
BTW, when I say 'blue', I mean either opaline or not but opalines do tend to produce the best lavenders.
. They are still fins and, yes, they grow back.Unfortunately, short of breeding them, you can't tell whether a gold comes from blue lines unless you know about its parents/grandparents. You can just try using any gold and hope for the best. Generaly speaking, golds from blue lines tend to have longer fins compared to others of the same sex and color. But this is no sure-fire way of picking them out. What you can do is breed an 'ordinary' gold to a blue and see what you get. If you get muddy-brown fish, try breeding the brown to blue again and see what happens.
BTW, when I say 'blue', I mean either opaline or not but opalines do tend to produce the best lavenders.
im sooooooooooo happy 
that it will grow back 
i was worryed he may have truble with on and half ventral fins as you call them 
.......................oh and i have a blue gourami that i think had a yellow parent cuz its got more orang on its bottem fin then you see in the blues gouramis most of the time it seems to look like a few of the adult male Pearl Gourami s i see pics of he looks nice with the yellow Orange strip could u get a lavender if you were to breed him with a opaline?? he looks kind of like this only its a blue 3 spot http/leute.server.de/lindisfarne/2006/02...ster_leerii.jpg
that it will grow back i was worryed he may have truble with on and half ventral fins as you call them .......................oh and i have a blue gourami that i think had a yellow parent cuz its got more orang on its bottem fin then you see in the blues gouramis most of the time it seems to look like a few of the adult male Pearl Gourami s i see pics of he looks nice with the yellow Orange strip could u get a lavender if you were to breed him with a opaline?? he looks kind of like this only its a blue 3 spot http
/leute.server.de/lindisfarne/2006/02...ster_leerii.jpgDo you mean you want to breed this blue (with the yellow on him) to an opaline? That'll just give you blues/opalines - maybe with a little yellow in the fins but mainly just blue. It might be interesting to breed him to a female that is blue with a little yellow though. You could potentialy get some very pretty fry.
i might try that when you say breed him to a blue with a bit of yellow do u mean anuther one that has a strip of yellow on its bottem fin ?oh and im still happy that the other ones ventral fin will grow back thanks for that info oh and i have a qestion i was looking throo pics on the net of blue gouramis and im not shore now if a few of the ones i was calling blue ones are realy blue i have 4 what i have been calling blues but im not shore about 2 of them now i thort the were blues cuz they look like the normal blue gouramis in all the ways i thort matted when telling there color morphs apart well any way this is what they look like i have 2 that im shore are blues they are light blue all over with the 3 dots the 2 im not shore about look the same apart from looking a darker blue green kind of color and when there color darkens a bit u can see a light stripe patten comeing from the top to the bottem of the fish kind of like tiger strips the strips are the same blue green color as the body they can be just seen when fish makes its color go a bit darker they have normal three black dots so most of the time they look like darker blues ?am i right in calling it the blue color morph or have i been miss nameing it ?
oh and i have a qestion i was looking throo pics on the net of blue gouramis and im not shore now if a few of the ones i was calling blue ones are realy blue i have 4 what i have been calling blues but im not shore about 2 of them now i thort the were blues cuz they look like the normal blue gouramis in all the ways i thort matted when telling there color morphs apart well any way this is what they look like i have 2 that im shore are blues they are light blue all over with the 3 dots the 2 im not shore about look the same apart from looking a darker blue green kind of color and when there color darkens a bit u can see a light stripe patten comeing from the top to the bottem of the fish kind of like tiger strips the strips are the same blue green color as the body they can be just seen when fish makes its color go a bit darker they have normal three black dots so most of the time they look like darker blues ?am i right in calling it the blue color morph or have i been miss nameing it ?oh and im going to see if i can get some lavanders when i go to perth after xmas im going to try ordering them befor i go up .....lavenders seem very hard to get hold of i think breeding them may evan be easyer and as you no im haveing lots of truble breeding them still but i think i have a better chance at breeding them then finding them
Yes, I meant one with the yellow strip.
I'm not clear on what you are trying to describe with the 'blue' gouramies. Do you have pics?
Regardless, there is no 'fixed' name for the color morphs and many stand half-way between. When I say 'blue' I'm reffering to the color blue - not the pattern (e.g. 'opaline' is a pattern, not a color). The exact shade of blue doesn't matter to me - they are either going to be 'blue' or they are going to be 'gold/platinum'.
If you are reffering to the names regularly used to describe popular color morphs (so not just looking at the actual base color like I do), 'blue' is used to describe the natural pattern (two dark spots - one on caudal peduncle, one on operculum) combined with a pale blue-silver color. This isn't strictly speaking the 'wild' color, however, as wild three-spots are actualy greenish. Anyway, this isn't important. You can choose to call your gouramies' colors whatever you like. There is no 'standard'.
I'm not clear on what you are trying to describe with the 'blue' gouramies. Do you have pics?
Regardless, there is no 'fixed' name for the color morphs and many stand half-way between. When I say 'blue' I'm reffering to the color blue - not the pattern (e.g. 'opaline' is a pattern, not a color). The exact shade of blue doesn't matter to me - they are either going to be 'blue' or they are going to be 'gold/platinum'.
If you are reffering to the names regularly used to describe popular color morphs (so not just looking at the actual base color like I do), 'blue' is used to describe the natural pattern (two dark spots - one on caudal peduncle, one on operculum) combined with a pale blue-silver color. This isn't strictly speaking the 'wild' color, however, as wild three-spots are actualy greenish. Anyway, this isn't important. You can choose to call your gouramies' colors whatever you like. There is no 'standard'.
hmmmm shrugs i think then i will just think of it as a normal darker blue cuz that what it most looks like as for pics i dont have any yet i am at some stage going to take some of each of my fish and post them on one of them free photo album typ sites then im going to put a link to it on one of the messagers i post on here and get info on witch ones i should breed to make good color fry or at least thats my plan i probly will do that after xmas some time (i probly will have a new gourami or 2 then as well cuz im going to a big pet store i tend on geting hold of a 100 gallon tank as well next year sighs im wondering if its normal to like fish this much.....................................................................if i could get 3 lavanders from the pet store what would be best if i was geting them for breeding 2 males and one female or 2 females and one male ?
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