Problem With A Male Beta After A Little Experiment

[annet1983]

hello - iam new in this forum, and today we got a little bit of a situation with our red veil tail male beta fish.
he lived with us about 4 months, and we got him from petco around i belive he was 8 months old, was happy , eat well, bublled his nests, never been spawn before with a female.
so today my sister decided to make one experiment, she bought 2 -9 weeks old - female beta fish- and put both of them in male beta 2 gallon fish tank, i dont why but 1st male even didnt pay attention to them, didnt blow bubles and didnt attack them..
after about 20 minutes smething weired started to happen, he was swimming after one or another female trying to flare at her, she ran away( may be she is too young lol i dont know), after around 10 minutes of running after female, she has developed vertical stripes, we were not going to breed them , it was just an experiment what wil lhappen if u put 2 female bettas in male beta fish tank, so after running around after females he suddenly become so agitated, swim like crasy, smashing himself against the fish tanks walls, tryingto go underneath the gravel, so we immiditely removed 2 females, ( he didnt hurt them at all - nither did female bettas).
after we removed females, they were fine ate well, no fin damage what so ever, but male since then behaves really weired, he lies down on gravel, seems scared or in shock, doesnt eat, runs away, stopped greetin us when we approach to his fish tank, breathes heavily, his water is clean, and temperature is 82F, last time he ate today morning, - before " our experiment"
so my question is what is going on with male beta?
is he in shock or something?
and if he is from what?
he is very big, red veil tail around 4 inches long , always eats good, happy and friendly.
any help in this matter is appreciated, thanks

 

[wilsonnw8]

Im confused as to why you tried this "experiment" in the first place, it was always going to stress and potentially harm your fish
I can only assume that he is still in shock from the whole thing and perhaps damaged himself whilst doing this :

"so after running around after females he suddenly become so agitated, swim like crasy, smashing himself against the fish tanks walls, tryingto go underneath the gravel"

fish can suffer brain damage and internal hemorrhaging just like a person this is probably whats wrong with your fish. Combined with shock. You should never try to keep males and females in the same tank. Only when breeding and even then its one female only and no breeder simply chucks the female in with the male.

so my question is what is going on with male beta?
he may have internal problems from his collisions with the tank

is he in shock or something?
its likely

and if he is from what?
inappropriate tank mates and the whole experiment

Tilly

(If this post werent so long Id assume it was trolling, if it is trolling then its a lot of effort to go to!)

 

[annet1983]

Im confused as to why you tried this "experiment" in the first place, it was always going to stress and potentially harm your fish
I can only assume that he is still in shock from the whole thing and perhaps damaged himself whilst doing this :

"so after running around after females he suddenly become so agitated, swim like crasy, smashing himself against the fish tanks walls, tryingto go underneath the gravel"

fish can suffer brain damage and internal hemorrhaging just like a person this is probably whats wrong with your fish. Combined with shock. You should never try to keep males and females in the same tank. Only when breeding and even then its one female only and no breeder simply chucks the female in with the male.

so my question is what is going on with male beta?
he may have internal problems from his collisions with the tank

is he in shock or something?
its likely

and if he is from what?
inappropriate tank mates and the whole experiment

Tilly

(If this post werent so long Id assume it was trolling, if it is trolling then its a lot of effort to go to!)

what is troling?
and he didnt get any damage by the way - he is come back to himself and fine right now- i was just asking question, that's all- out of curiosity we did what we did- and now we know for sure that they should be separated untillbreeding time..

 

[pippoodle]

make sure you read up on how to breed the bettas properly - you cant just dump them in a tank together like other fish
you also have the right amount of tanks - you'll need lots of containers to house the fry in when you can sex them

they can have over 100 fry so you would have to be prepared to do a water change on 100 small containers everyday - when they grow

please please research completely before trying to mate these fish

 

[rrrr]

you guys need to seriously review your definition of trolling. this person is NOT.

i don't think it's such a ~crazy inhumane~ idea to try this experiment? i don't have the money or interest in trying stuff like this, but it doesn't make little buddy a bad guy.

igss what wilson said could be true, it could make sense. but yeah, not the end of the world.

 

[bronzecat]

I believe Wilson only made that comment as an end thought? No one has accused anyone of being a Troll.

It is an Inhumane experiment as for starters its only a 2 gallon tank, so wayyyy too small for 3 bettas let alone 2 females and a male.

Glad the male has perked up But as Pip said, please for the sake of your bettas, dont do things without researching first.

 

[loraxchick]

i think the OP didnt know any better...im sure they didnt tell them to NOT to do that when they bought them. they have only made two posts. Id say its great that they are here for advice, and should not be accused of trolling or even being a bad fishkeeper. Lets keep in mind that by coming here they ARE doing research and there are loads of invaluable information and experienced folks around. That's why this is my favorite site. so much knowledge. But let's be polite to noobs and keep them coming back...they could miss out on a LOT of info...and that's all they are after in the first place.
cheers!!!

 

[heygetsmart]

I agree with loraxchick!

 

[Amunet]

Next time before buying any, ANY fish, do research on it first.
Proper research would've shown you that the experiment wasn't a good idea to begin with.
I'm glad that the male betta is acting normal again, but next time please do your research before trying anything like that again.

 

[annet1983]

Next time before buying any, ANY fish, do research on it first.
Proper research would've shown you that the experiment wasn't a good idea to begin with.
I'm glad that the male betta is acting normal again, but next time please do your research before trying anything like that again.

guys- i know ALL ABOUT beta fish, everything possible i could find, and yes i knew they cannot be put together before hand, its just my male beta i so friendly , so i thought why not to see what is going to happen, that was all.. no harm done, he freaked out at 1st but he is fine now
iam not planning to breed them now as females are too small - only 9 weeks old..
and i have all i need to breed them( tanks, containers , heater, food, live cultures//etc)
i just didnt know he would behave this way, particular this male was never agressive, and he didnt even hurt young females at all, he was just curious at the beginning and then started behaving weired, like he was scared.. but its past now, females are fine, and him as well..
just sometimes no matter how much recearch you may have done - somethings its in human nature- to check for yourslef - wherthere its true or ont what ppl say abt betas that 'sall...
now i know what will happen if u put 2 females or more with one male..
cause what i read was not to put 1 female with 1 male, but i ddint see any info abt putting more than 1 female in one tank with male- so a boy have a choice which one he may like..lol
i guess its not how it works...
it was valuable lesson, no fish harm.. eevryone is allright..

 

[wilsonnw8]

Erm Guys I wasnt accusing anyone of trolling as Bronze kindly noted it was indeed an After thought , as the post had been up for a while and no one had replied - so I did - following my reply their were no further posts for a while so my afterthought was "why is no one else replying" perhaps people know something I dont etc
I didnt accuse anyone of trolling and was careful to put it in italics and in brackets so people would realise I wasnt! and gave my honest thoughts and advice as I always do
People seem so eager to jump the gun I wasn't accusing in my post and although I did not sugar coat my reply it was honest and answered the OP questions.

If anything I was covering my own back in case there was a reason no one else was replying.

 

[Honeythorn]

guys- i know ALL ABOUT beta fish

Evidently not if you were foolish enough to try this.

yes i knew they cannot be put together before hand

So tell me again, WHY did you even think of doing it? Oh hang on...

its just my male beta i so friendly , so i thought why not to see what is going to happen

I'm wondering what made you think your male would be in any way different to any other betta. Unless he's in some way genetically modified to not have the typical instincts of this species ?( which cannot be bred in and out like finnage and colour ) Just because he's friendly to you dosn't mean he's going to be friendly to anything else. They are called FIGHTING fish for a reason.

i have all i need to breed them( tanks, containers , heater, food, live cultures//etc)

So you've been researching breeding, know ALL ABOUT bettas, have all the equpiment and yet completely disregarded the very well known fact that you don't just throw a few females in with a male? I'm pretty sure even the most basic breeding info would tell you that you put the female in a chimney or other container so they can see eachother and be conditioned before breeding?

I am not a breeder, I am still learning about bettas ( aren't we all ? ) and yet I found this info in about 10 minutes. And I quote

. There should be a three or four day period of time where the female resides in a chimney or holding section so the male has time to build his bubble nest to prepare for the spawning and laying of eggs.

Phew..that was exhausting I think I need a lie down..

somethings its in human nature- to check for yourslef - wherthere its true or ont what ppl say abt betas that 'sall...

A spectacularly poor excuse for stressing your fish to satisfy your own morbid curiosity. The fact that so many people all over the world, on the internet and in magazines too no doubt, inform not to do this, should be indicator enough, let alone the many thousands of websites that will tell you not to do it as well.

You've been lucky and your fish have survived. But for their sake I'd urge you to research breeding a lot more thoroughly before you even think about actually doing it, and leave off experimenting with your fish when you know full well there is a chance they could possibly kill eachother or die from something stress related.

Seriously, no need.

I have no doubt my bluntness will be viewed as a horrific attack at some point .....................*shrug* Oh wow JAM! *nomnomnomnom*

 

[Duff83]

ok gang, relax... i think we freaked out on this guy enough let it go...

 

[ShadowedSin]

I'm only going to say, your playing with a living thing here. Perhaps rethink all "Experiments" before conducting them.