Please Help, Crazy Rainbows!

[bmiranda]

I have a planted 55gal, stable for over a year, Amonia, nitrites 0, Nitrates less than 40, no new fish loss. Weekly 10% water changes, no overfeeding...etc... Over the last few days, my 2 bosemani rainbows have been spazing, I mean swiming in loops, jumping out of the tank, really freaking out. They get worse when I walk by the tank or turn the lights on or off. I noticed on one that he seemed to have a small piece of white material hanging off his lower lip, maybe skin...dunno, possibly an injury from raming into something... The other rainbow looks fine. Today, the one with the piece of skin off his lower lip was sitting, upsidedown, in one of the plants, 5 mins later he was swiming aroung like nothing was wrong....Any thoughts???

 

[WILDER]

The lip does it look like it rotting away, and cotton wool fluff on the lip.
He not in good shape i'm afraid if he's been upside down.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing against objects, check the gill area to see if its red and inflamed.

 

[bmiranda]

Nope, doesn't look like the lip is rotting away, just looks like some small pieces of skin hanging off, you have too look really closely to even see it. I just noticed the sicker of the two lying on the driftwood, upsidedown, and on his side. His color is becoming very deep, posiblly from a lack of O2

No inflamed gills, no redness, no rubing against objects...

 

[WILDER]

You have a parasite velvet, looks like a gold dusting on a fish.
Need to treat fast as velvet worse than whitespot and hardier to cure.

He's sounds in a bad way he's not going to make it sounds like a bacterial infection on top.
http/www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/heal...thprotist.shtml

Have you just removed that bit about the fish scales looking like gold dust on them.

 

[bmiranda]

Scratch the gold dust, It looks like his color just got really dark from lack of O2, I, noticing the Bala shark and other Bosemani wigging out a little, I raised the temp today to 80, going to go to 82 tonight, and am treating with QUIck cure, lights out. Anything else anyone sugests, thanks for the info so far BTW.

 

[WILDER]

Going dark in colour is an indication of a bacterial infection.
Darting about is a sign of a parasite to bad water quality, stray voltage in the tank, to meds in the tank.
So there no gold dusting on them now.

Have you removed the black carbon in the tank.
Also high temp and meds reduce 02 in the tank, thats why you have to increase aeration.

 

[bmiranda]

No, no gold dusting, I think is was his natural color changing as he expired...I think He's finally had it. His lips, however, I'm able to get a closer look and it looks as if there are flaps of skin hanging off. Kind of like if you bite your lip and after it's almost done healing, you have a flap of dead skin. Reminds me of that, except smaller than 1mm in size. The other Bosemani is twitching, not rubbing on anything, just twitching pretty badly now

Removed carbon, Increased aeration....

Stray voltage??

 

[WILDER]

Showing sign of bacterial to parasite.
Bacterial Infections
Dark color, white patches, scratching, fin clamping, laying in a corner or at the bottom. Often seen in

recently shipped juveniles.

 

[bmiranda]

Hmm, these fish are over a year old..I've never heard of a fish wildly swiming about, looping and all. Any thoughts on that?

No white patches, no scratching, not sitting on bottom....I'm at a loss here

 

[WILDER]

Just read this so we can find out if it an injury of the mouth or columnaris which is known as mouth fungus.
http/www.articledepot.co.uk/article-29320.htm

I've never heard of a fish wildly swiming about, looping and all. Any thoughts on that
I no and that why I was thinking parasite, but they can go mad when there dying.
Been feeding any live foods, and when you say looping do you mean chasing there tails.

Stray voltage but i wouldn't bother with that it when a heater blows or something.
Darting
Water quality problems, skin parasites, drug side effects, stray voltage in the tank

 

[bmiranda]

I don't think so, there really was no rotting...and they have their appetite, and as for acting sluggish, the fish looks like it's on speed...



Also...

When I say looping, I mean like a plane doing a loop-the-loop...as well as turning completely on it's side and swiming in horizontal circles..It would perform a great airshow...except for the dying part in the end

 

[WILDER]

Do you feed any live foods like tubilex worms.
Is there only two fish doing this weird behavour.

One fish has a damaged mouth and swimming upside down.
Darkening in colour and darting around.
No flicking and rubbing on objects, and no laboured breathing.
Is this correct so far.

It's suggest one desease but it very rare.
We need to look at your stats, and see if there no sign of gasping at the top of the tank.

 

[bmiranda]

The only other fish that is doing this is the other rainbow, and looks like the bala shark might be joining in on the act. I feed a little flake and frozed blood worms, sometimes frozed brine shrimp, and one evening feeding of a few sinking pellets...all of which get eaten rapidlt...

 

[WILDER]

This is very important have you been feeding any live foods, especially tubilex worms.

 

[bmiranda]

no gasping, never fed any live food, only frozen, flake or pellet...ocationally as a treat, freeze-dried tubifex worms