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The pH in my tanks keep rising from 7.5 -> 8.0.
I assume this is because the plants are using up dissolved carbon dioxide in the tap water.
When I use triple blackwater, adding twice the recommended amount, my pH falls from 8.0 -> 7.0.
But because I am raising wild killifish that naturally live in pH ~5.0, I want to lower the pH even further.
Is it OK to add even more blackwater, far beyond the recommended amounts?
 
What you need is an RO or RO/DI unit to make close to [ure water. This means it will contain almost nothing besides H20. What mostly controls the level of pH in a tank is the KH. In tanks this is mostly carbonates and bicardonates. These should be 0 in RO and especia;;y RO/DI water. RO = reverse osmosis and DO/DI = reverse osmosis and deionized.

Carbon dioxide in water creates some amount of carbonic acid. Acids work to lower pH. So, using up the CO2 , aside from being bad for the plants and the nitrifying bacteria, would also cause the pH of the water to rise, not fall.

I ran aan RO/Di unit to make oure water for my Altum angel tank. I also stained the water using a combination of almond leaves, alder cones and Rooibos tea from S. Africa. Each of these three things did contributed different things, The almont leaves go into the tank and stain the water and will ower the pH some. The alder cones stain even better and lower the pH even more and they went into a bag in one of the 2 the hang-on filtera on the tank, The Rooibos tea I brewed and then pourder the liquid into the tank. This stained well and added beneficial things to the water but did not soften nor lower the pH.

I used a continuous monitor for Temp/pH/TDS or conductivity on the tank and then to guide me when mixing the water i would add after a weekly ewater change. The parameters of the new water were based on the readings in the tank. When I need the new water at a lower pH of if I needed to lower the pH in the tank which tended to rise some between water changes I used muriatic acid. This must be used with care as it can both burn one's skin and alos if overdosed into a tank can drop the pH drastically and very fast. In a 55 gal. tank and a 20 gal. can for water changes I used only a few ml of the acid to get the needed changes. I takes less than 5 miutes in a tank with decet circulation for the acid to wirk on the pH.

Raising and Lowering pH​

One can raise or lower pH by adding chemicals. Because ofbuffering, however, the process is difficult to get right. Increasingor decreasing the pH (in a stable way) actually involves changing theKH. The most common approach is to add a buffer (in the previoussection) whose equilibriumholds the pH at the desired value.
Muriatic (hydrochloric) acid can be used to reduce pH. Note thatthe exact quantity needed depends on the water's buffering capacity.In effect, you add enough acid to use up all the buffering capacity.Once this has been done, decreasing the pH is easy. However, it shouldbe noted that the resultant lower-pH water has much less KH bufferingthan it did before, making it more susceptible to pH swings when (for instance)nitrate levels rise. Warning: It goes without saying that acids areVERY dangerous! Do not use this approach unless you know whatyou are doing, and you should treat the water BEFORE adding itto the aquarium.

Products such as ``pH-Down'' are often based on a phosphoric acid buffer.Phosphoric acid tends to keep the pH at roughly 6.5, depending onhow much you use.Unfortunately, use of phosphoric acid has the BIG sideeffect of raising the phosphate level in your tank, stimulating algaegrowth. It is difficult to control algae growth in a tank withelevated phosphate levels.The only advantage over hydrochloric acid is that pH will be somewhatbetter buffered at its lower value.

One safe way to lower pH WITHOUT adjusting KH is to bubbleCO2 (carbon dioxide) through the tank. The CO2 dissolves in water, andsome of it forms carbonic acid. The formation of acid lowers the pH.Of course, in order for this approach to be practical, a steady sourceof CO2 bubbles (e.g. a CO2 tank) is needed to hold the pH inplace. As soon as the CO2 is gone, the pH bounces back to its previousvalue. The high cost of a CO2 injection system precludes its use as apH lowering technique in most aquariums (though see thePLANT FAQ for inexpensive do-it-yourselfalternatives). CO2 injection systemsare highly popular in heavily-planted tanks, because the additional CO2stimulates plant growth.

Softening Your Water (i.e., lowering GH)​

Some fish (e.g., discus, cardinal tetras, etc.) prefer soft water.Although they can survive in harder water, they are unlikely tobreed in it. Thus, you may feel compelled to soften your water despite thehassle involved in doing so.
Typical home water softeners soften water using a technique knownas ``ion exchange''. That is, they remove calcium and magnesium ions byreplacing them with sodium ions. Although this does technically makewater softer, most fish won't notice the difference. That is, fishthat prefer soft water don't like sodium either, and for them suchwater softeners don't help at all. Thus, home water softeners are notan appropriate way to soften water for aquarium use.

Fish stores also market ``water softening pillows''. They use thesame ion-exchange principle. One ``recharges'' the pillow by soaking itin a salt water solution, then places it in the tank where the sodiumions are released into the water and replaced by calcium and magnesiumions. After a few hours or days, the pillow (along with the calciumand magnesium) are removed, and the pillow recharged. The pillowssold in stores are too small to work well in practice, and shouldn'tbe used for the same reason cited above.

Peat moss softens water and reduces its hardness (GH). The mosteffective way to soften water via peat is to aerate water for 1-2weeks in a bucket containing peat moss. For example, get a (plastic)bucket of the appropriate size. Then, get a large quantity of peat(a gallon or more), boil it (so that it sinks), stuff it in a pillowcase, and place it in the water bucket. Use an air pump to aerateit. In 1-2 weeks, the water will be softer and more acidic. Use thisaged water when making partial water changes on your tank.

Peat can be bought at pet shops, but it is expensive. It is muchmore cost-effective to buy it in bulk at a local gardening shop. Readlabels carefully! You don't want to use peat containing fertilizers orother additives.

Although some folks place peat in the filters of their tanks, thetechnique has a number of drawbacks. First, peat clogs easily, soadding peat isn't always effective. Second, peat can be messy and maycloud the water in your tank. Third, the exact quantity of peatneeded to effectively soften your water is difficult to estimate.Using the wrong amount results in the wrong water chemistry. Finally,when doing water changes, your tank's chemistry changes when new wateris added (it has the wrong properties). Over the next few days, thechemistry changes as the peat takes effect. Using aged water helpsensure that the chemistry of your tank doesn't fluctuate while doingwater changes.

Hard water can also be softened by diluting it with distilled wateror R/O water. R/O (reverse-osmosis) water is purified water made by aR/O unit. Unfortunately, R/O units are too expensive ($100-$500) formost hobbyists. R/O water can also be purchased at some fish stores,but for most folks the expense and hassle are not worth it. The sameapplies to distilled water purchased at grocery stores.
from https://fins.actwin.com/mirror/begin-chem.html#altering

I do noy know prices for things in Japan, but here I had a 3 stage RO/DI unit and when I finally needed to replace it I got a 4 stage. These were portable units and only cost me me from $130 to $165. The first one ran for many years and I did change the carbon and RO modules about midway through the time period before I replaced it. I only ran the second unit for a year before I began to downsize and sold the Altums and their tank., Some time later I sold the unit for $100 as it had a lot od life left in it.

This was the 3 stage unit: 3 STAGE
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This was the 4 stage unit: 4 STAGE
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What is the GH (general hardness), KH (carbonate hardness) and pH of your water supply?
This information can usually be obtained from your water supply company's website (Water Analysis Report) or by telephoning them. If they can't help you, take a glass full of tap water to the local pet shop and get them to test it for you. Write the results down (in numbers) when they do the tests. And ask them what the results are in (eg: ppm, dGH, or something else).

If you are trying to breed wild caught fishes from softwater, then use rainwater, distilled water or reverse osmosis water (as mentioned by TwoTankAmin).

You can normally add more blackwater extract than is stated on the label, however you need to drop the GH and KH so the fish breed. Having a high GH and KH (particular the GH) with a low pH will still limit or prevent the killifish from breeding. You need the softer water so there is no GH and a very low or no KH, then the pH will come down and the fish will breed.
 
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Blackwater extracts are good, but you have to get at the root of the problem. That will be minerals. pH is relatively meaningless.

I'm an experienced, longterm killiekeeper, so my first question is what species are you working with?
 
What substrate and rocks do you have in the aquarium? Many rocks used in aquariums tend to affect the water hardness. As you're trying to maintain a low pH you need to make sure any rocks (including gravels) are inert (do no affect the water).
 

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