Ph And Bicaronate Of Soda

julibob

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2 weeks ago my water was fine. I stupidly added some large bits of bogwood that I was given without checking how it would affect my tank (I didn't know would). Water is still fine, but not for my Malawi's.

Stats are

Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrites 0ppm
Nitrates 5ppm
Ph has dropped from 8.2 down to 7 :crazy:

I have removed the bogwood and done a 30% water change, but the ph has remained the same. My tapwater is naturally 8.2 and I checked it last night to make sure.

I have heard people say about bicarbonate of soda, but how do I go about it? I looked at a website earlier and they said that you need to add salt as well. I have 3 Pim Pictus in there, so don't want to be adding any salt!

Thanks

Julia
 
As you know I am completely new to this. However All I did was put about half a tsp of bicarbonate of soda into every 10 liters of water along with my aquasafe. It rose my KH from 4 to 8 and my pH from 7 to 8 and I am yet to find the fish having any problems. I really wanted an expert to advise me before I did this but no one gave me any advice and I am still waiting for someone to tell me I am doing the right thing. Thats is as much help as I can be I am afraid. I hope we both get a proper answer soon.

Also according to my book they can survive pH as low as 6 they just won't breed or be as active or colourful as they would under the correct pH.
 
Do you use anything such as coral sand or any kind of rock to keep your pH high?? Heres another tip... Check your tap pH at room temperature fill a glass of cold water and let it sit for around 12 hours, then check your pH.
 
Do you use anything such as coral sand or any kind of rock to keep your pH high?? Heres another tip... Check your tap pH at room temperature fill a glass of cold water and let it sit for around 12 hours, then check your pH.

What i do is that everyweek i do a 25% water change ,i add 1 tablespoon sodium bicardonate and 10ml aquasafe in the new water and my ph is stable 8


Emmanuel
 
I have normal aquatic sand as my subtrate, and a mixture of granite, red agate and pagoda stone for rocks. I have 2 other tanks and without intervention for me they are typically 8.2 ph, the same as my tap water.

I have some bicarbonate of soda, so I will add that tomorrow. Just how much? 1 tsp per 10 ltr? Dont want to get the amount wrong. Fish are a bit pale, so I assume it is the low ph affecting them. Everything else is perfect.

Julia
 
It can't raise the pH over 8.2 so there isn't a worry.
 
I have normal aquatic sand as my subtrate, and a mixture of granite, red agate and pagoda stone for rocks. I have 2 other tanks and without intervention for me they are typically 8.2 ph, the same as my tap water.

I have some bicarbonate of soda, so I will add that tomorrow. Just how much? 1 tsp per 10 ltr? Dont want to get the amount wrong. Fish are a bit pale, so I assume it is the low ph affecting them. Everything else is perfect.

Julia
Now, TBH i just have gone off the idea of adding anything to my tank, so i wouldnt add BOS. Im not too well up on my rocks either, but i do have rainbow rock in my tank, it keeps my pH over 8... I dunno, its up to you, i think its worth the money to use coral sand in your tank (dependant on size, £ wise), but i understand that if you do have a BIG tank this is not always possible... Ill have a look about adding the BOS for you...

Ok, here goes, i got this from a pinned topic, so i am not the author!

"The ideal PH for mbuna is in the general region of 8.0, but they are very adaptable and can handle a fairly wide range. If your tap water falls between 7.5 and 8.5 you have good water, and are best off using it as-is, with no adjustments. More important is KH, which acts as a buffer and keeps the PH stable. A KH of 8 or more is most desirable.

If your water is not quite desirable for them then there are a few ways to bring it up to spec. Crushed coral can help, as can limestone and other mineral rich rocks. These can be used as substrate or decoration, and can also be placed in a filter. This method is great because more water is forced through the media then as a substrate, and it leaves you with free choice for substrate. Canisters are best for this because they hold more media then most types. The more finely crushed the coral is, the more effective it will be, but at the same time if it is crushed to a sand it will impede water flow.

Another option for an easy method is to use baking soda. If may sound strange, but it actually works very well and costs next to nothing. Baking soda will raise the PH to 8.2, and no further no matter how much you use. The more you use, the higher the KH will rise. The elements of baking soda do get used up, so it is important to check the KH weekly to make sure things are good, and add more if necessary. You also need to add more for the water that you replace at each water change. Even if it sounds a little complicated now, you will quickly get into the rhythm and these additions will become second nature.

You can also use store bought additives, but keep in mind many of them are unstable, and you would be no further ahead then using baking soda, and you’d be spending more money too.

Regardless of what additive, if any, that you choose to use, it is important to keep an eye on parameters regularly to make sure values are remaining stable. Test weekly and add more as you need to. In general it’s best to avoid all additives if you can. More often then not the water is suitable right out of the tap, and weekly water changes will keep it stable".

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I think the coral sand is worth it because as the author says the elements of the BOS do get used up. I think it would be a headache making sure your water was perfect & checking on it almost constantly worrying if the pH is down again, pH swings etc, etc...

BUT... Thats just my humble opinion...
 
sounds like your tank has used up the alkalinity (KH) which naturaly buffers the water. I'd agree with the last poster you need a perment solution and some coral gravel and maybe tuffa rocks. Carbonate of soda will help till you manage to get what you need. As for your tap water have you ever tried leaving it in a glass for 24 hours and see what it tests. mine starts at 7.5 but ends up at 6.8 due to a low KH and GH levels :D
 
baking soda will raise the kH more than the pH

Some ways to raise KH.....
add NaHCO3 (baking soda)
Note; 5ml (1 teaspoon) of baking soda added to 50 litres of water
can raise the kH by approx 4 OdH without effecting the pH greatly.

Some ways to raise pH.
Aerate the water, driving off the carbon dioxide (CO²),
add crushed coral or seashells to the filter,
Add rocks containing limestone,
use a coral sand substrate or
use a commercially available alkaline buffer.

taken from my pinned topic water (see sig)

HTH
 
So if I have coral sand and those rocks( the ones you find in cichlid tanks) I won't have to add bicarbonate of soda.
 

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