Pakistani Loaches Dying One By One

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Had 6 fairly big Yo-Yo's, all about 4" long, and this week already three have died, found dead 3 consecutive mornings and the other 3 are laid on their side with very fast breathing. I know loaches do lay like that but this is different as they don't scoot away when you go near. All water stats are fine, checked with API liquid test and did gravel vacuum and 30% water change yesterday. All other fish, including other bottom dwellers, clowns and corys, seem fine.

Anyone any idea why only one species should suddenly start dying off? Can't think it's old age. I've had them 3 years.
 
Sorry to hear that. Have you changed routine? Feeding? What are the exact water stats? What size of tank do you have?
 
Sorry to hear that. Have you changed routine? Feeding? What are the exact water stats? What size of tank do you have?


Hi. Just done another test and got a shock. Nitrite is zero but ammonia is 0.25! Did sample from my other tank to compare colours. That was yellow and the tank with the problem is slightly greenish, so not 0. Was 0 yesterday before the water change so has risen overnight. What causes that in an establisherd tank? Done another 40% water change. Should I test again later today and do another if necessary? 4ft tank and no feeding changes at all.
 
0.25 reading of Ammonia is not good. Many things can cause "mini-cycles" in established tanks, for example;

a. Over-cleaning filter media. The only purpose of cleaning the filter is to keep it running smoothely- over-cleaning the filter though can deplete the beneficial nitrifying bacteria populations so much it causes the tank to mini-cycle. You should aim to only roughly clean the media, removing the heavy waste while leaving a bit of muck behind.
b. Cleaning filter media in undechlorinated water. Tap water contains chlorine and so undechlorinated water can kill beneficial nitrifying bacteria. You should only clean filter media in water taken from the tank during water changes which is then discarded afterwards.
c. Too many/too large water changes. While water changes are important to do to help keep the tank water physically clean, lower disease levels and help prevent build up of undesolveable minerals etc, you can do too many water changes or too larger ones. The beneficial nitrifying bacteria needs a constant supply of ammonia to survive & thrive and so when you do a water change you temporarily lower the ammonia levels- so doing water changes too large for the tank (generally speaking larger than 60%) or water changing too much (like every day or every other day, which you should only do when the tank has water quality problems) can upset the ecology of the tank too much.
d. Big cleaning session: If you have not cleaned your substrate & decorated area's for a very long time and they have collected a lot of waste in them, removing all the waste at once can stir up hidden ammonia. If a tank has not been properly maintained for a long time and has become quite filthy, the best plan of action is to clean the tank in sections or stages to prevent this.
e. Adding too many new fish at once.
f. Inadequate biological filtration: The majority of pet shop fish are sold at juvenile size, and sometimes while the tanks filter can easily handle the bioload of the juvenile fish, as the fish grow and produce more waste the filtration struggles to keep up with the increasing bioload of the fish.
g. Rotting debris/food. Depending on the decor of your tank, certain zones may be prone to catching fish food in them which then spoils before it is found and eaten by the fish (fish won't eat spoiled food, and foods like fish flakes & pellets can spoil quite quickly in aquarium water). Rotting fish food, dead fish, dead plants etc can all add ammonia to the bioload of the tank.

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Just under 0.25 I'd say now. Lower than this morning though after changing 2 buckets. Should I change another 2 buckets now or wait until tomorrow? The above poster says you can do too many water changes!
Thinking back, maybe I cleaned the filter media too well. Did it in tank water but rinsed both sponges very very well. :sad:
Thanks in advance.
 
When your water tests are good (ammonia 0, nitrite 0) I wouldn't do a large water change. But if the numbers are off, a big water change is a good thing. Personally, I do frequent large water changes ( 50 - 75% weekly). I don't think I'd do daily changes that big unless I was showing ammonia or nitrite. The majority of your beneficial bacteria live in the filter media. If you cleaned both sponges really well, that could cause a mini cycle. i've never had a mini cycle from water changes.
 

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