Overdosing Excel

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Hi,

I currently have a problem with BBA and want to try an overdose of Flourish Excel to kill it.

Can anyone tell me how much of an overdose i should be administering?

In the link above it says to overdose by 2 - 3 times. Is this 2 - 3 times the daily dose, or 2 - 3 times the initial large dose?

Also, should i combine my Excel overdose with a blackout?

Thanks :good:

BTT
 
Hi I just recently dosed excel in my tank to remove BBA. Many people recommended Siamese Algae Eaters however; I have large Central American cichlids and was worried they would eat them. Dosing Excel worked quite well for me, I dosed double the water-changing dose (initial large dose). After dosing excel, it is vital that you keep an eye on your fish and their health as it is possible that you could kill them.

By the way what fish are in the tank?
 
To kill BBA dose three times the initial dose rate i.e. 15ml per 40lt of tank water.

The BBA should go red in around a week, which means its been killed. After that it goes white and slow disintegrates.

Sam
 
Would this method be safe in my Juwel tank with the fish in my sig?

:)
 
Thanks guys, i'm going to give it a try. I'll let you know how it goes. :good:

I''m going to blackout for the first 5 days too. Good idea?

There is only a Java Fern and a couple of Anubias in there just now.

Also, 6 Angelfish, 8 Rummy-Nose Tetras, 7 Peppered Corys, 8 Snakeskin Barbs and a Royal Whiptail.

Cheers :good:

BTT
 
Black outs do little again anything but BGA so unless you have that I wouldn't bother.

Please not that excel has been found to kill some plants, the finer leaved types, hornworth, riccia, etc. Valls seem to melt as well.

I've not heard of it harming any fish though. But I wouldn't dose more than one triple dose per week just to be on the safe side.

Sam
 
I have just found this answer (by Zig) which he posted a couple of year back:

Do a 50% water change and dose the tank with 5ml excel for every 10 gallons of water you replace, this is just the normal start off dosage as per the instructions on the bottle, you then dose normally 1ml per 10 gallons of tankwater so for a 30 gallon tank you would normally dose 3ml excel per day, but we want to overdose so you multiply 3x3ml = 9ml excel daily, that would be the normal 3x OD, as Sam says start off by 1x and build it up to 3x, and then dose 3x for the duration of the treatment, which normally is 14 days. You do everything else as normal, ferts etc, and keep the CO2 running, you will also do the normal 50% water change if running EI on the tank, and just dose the excel back @5ml per each 10 gallons of water changed. If the fish show signs of stress, stop the treatment, they will usually show signs of stress by gasping at the surface.

Certain plants may also be damaged, just be aware of this, particularily Egeria and Vallis type species, not much you can do here im afraid except remove them to another tank if you have one.

The bba will go a reddish colour, this is a sign it is dying off, for some tanks this can happen really quickly, within a couple of days, for other tanks it can take 7-10 days for this to happen, the reddish colour can be very intense or it can be very weak, when i tried it, it was very weak, each tank and treatment is different, after it has gone red(ish) it will usually go a grey whitish colour, this usually indicates the algae is dead, you should manually remove as much as you can, if you dont correct what caused the outbreak in the first place it will come back.
 
Personal I would recommend you to add 2-3 Siamese Algae Eaters (SAE’s). I have a friend who has an 8ft tank it was literally full of BBA, he chucked some of these guys in and within a few days, there was none left. I would recommend you to try this first before dosing excel, as there is no risk of any fish deaths.
However, I would not add SAE’s if you have fine-leaved plants or easily stressed fish.
 
The only problem with that Ian, is that the cause of the BBA hasn't been cured. If the cause of the BBA was sourced out, then it wont come back. In an 8ft tank it's not a bad idea though, plenty of space for them to swim too :D
If I remember correctly, Tom Barr urges people never to overdose Excel. He maintains the view that little and often is much better than overdosing.
 

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