Old Time Riverman

BigC

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Introduction
Most of you who know of me will associate me as being a killifish enthusiast, this is true, and will always remain that way, but I do like, on occasion, to turn my hand to other aspects of fishkeeping. I've been on many a venture over the numerious years I've been in this amazing hobby, hell I even got salt in my mouth at one stage, but this proved to be an expensive interlude away from my beloved killifish. Whilst I enjoyed every moment of my dive into marines, I always knew I would return to freshies one day.
I am about to retrace my steps from the late eighties/early nineties and try to aquascape a planted aquarium from scratch. Technology has moved on a pace since those halcyon days and one has to stand and wonder at the range and diversity of aquariums on offer today.

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This was my old tank from the early nineties, although it did cover a lot of the basics of today's modern equivalent, it would now be considered old skool in the eyes of many a fine aquascaper on these boards.​

So now I'm going to endeavour to, once again dip my toes in a river venture and see where the boat ends up.
I hope you will all chip in an offer up critical comments on my mistakes and failings, I am still willing to learn and who better than from TFF's finest.
Follow me now in this warts and all view of how I went about aquascaping my latest aquarium. ("Not another bloody tank"! shouts Mrs C :lol:)

Today I purchased a new tank and some bits and bobs. Not really what I was after, but if your living in this god forsaken country finding what you need is like searching for a needle in a haystack. Problem is we are so poorly serviced by the aquatics industry up North that we usually end up paying through the nose for postal items from the mainland. Anyhow I took what I could get to let me make some kind of a start.
I suppose I may start at the beginning;

The Tank:
I have already got a wooden stained cabinet on which to site my new aquarium. I couldn't get hold of the tank I wanted which would have been a bog standard 24x12x15 Clearseal brand. So after trawling around the country I ended up with a Juwel Rekord 60. The canopy of this all in one kit will be defunct but I'll hang onto it. Whilst A Record 70 would have been a better option, "Yes" you guessed it...No one had any. So with the attitude that it fits the cabinet (admittedly a little short on height) and it will grow plants (hopefully) I made the purchase.
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Now if there's one thing you dont do when you've gone to your LFS for something specific is to start looking around, this is a big NO NO. So I came away with pieces of bogwood, substrate additive, fine gravel and river pebbles and a few other pieces of equipment. (She is gonna kill me). I've been down this street before though :lol:
So that's about it until tomorrow, I hope to be asking you all a lot of questions, this, coupled with the myriad of books I've amassed on the subject, may just help me on the road to a successful planted aquarium.

First and foremost I want to try and keep this as simple as I can. For one I will probably be drawn toward a Low - Med light plan when it comes to layouts of what plants and where to place them.

Initial Questions: Because this type of aquarium has all the filtration within the aquarium will it become more susceptible to algal problems. What type of extra media could be utilised within the black box.. Rowaphos perhaps. (I know most folks like to rip out those Juwel compartments in favour of more room but I'd like to keep it for now at least)
Secondly do you guys use RO, Tapwater, Rainwater or permutations of such resources.
Regards
C
 
Anyone using Tetra Complete Substrate.
I'm about to use this as a substrata coupled with some peat capped with fine dorset gravel.
Anyone foresee any problems with this formulation of substrate.
Regards
C
 
Anyone using Tetra Complete Substrate.
I'm about to use this as a substrata coupled with some peat capped with fine dorset gravel.
Anyone foresee any problems with this formulation of substrate.
Regards
C

What are you goals for this planted tank (plant density, type of setup, amount of maintenance) and what would be the proposed lighting?

llj
 
I'm sticking a closely as I can to one of Tropica's planting plans with some degree of interchangeability with certain plants. Apart from some focal plants that I will not be able to source locally (this place is the pits) I will be using Tropic brand from my LFS (at certain times they do have a good selection)
Plant density will be pretty deep but I do want to retain some gravel visibility and open space. It will not be a purists clinical affair more incumbent with the old Dutch types.
As for the maintenance, well that's par for the course. If I can I want to keep away from the High lighting aspect and mostly incorporate Java fern and moss, Cryptos and anubias (variants) and some of my favourites thrown in.
I'm interested in views on the Tetra substrate additive I have chosen as I used laterite mixes in days gone by.
 
First of all: welcome to the planted section! I see that the mods are doing a great effort in getting all the other mods doing a planted tank....

I cannot comment on the filter, but can on the water. It really depends on your water and what you want to keep in there. For the plants it doesn't make much of a difference as most common plants can survive quite a range of water conditions. So, just do what you always do: determine what kind of fish you want and then determine your water source.

I am using bottled water, because my tap water is not fit for anything but washing for instance. If your tap water turns out to be extremely hard, like llj's you might have some limitations in the plants you can grow, but otherwise as long as it is not extreme, you should be fine.
 
Laterite is perfectly acceptable & cheaper. With your goals, you could even go inert & dose via water column as it's through the water column where aquatic plants feed mostly. I've done inert with crypts & swords with success. IMO, save yourself the money on substrate & spend it on increasing flow in the tank with powerheads if you decide not to upgrade the filtration. Can you get TPN+ or Easycarbo in your neck of the woods? What's the wattage on the tank bulbs & type (t5 t8?) Should be asking this in the thread in the journal section. Sorry.
 
For what you want to grow, seems tapwater will work for you. This, as Biulu says, depends more on your fish rather than your plants. If you choose not to upgrade your filtration, I'd save money on your substrate and opt to increase the flow in your tank, as I indicated in your tetra complete thread.

llj
 
Hi Elenore,
I culture algae specifically for daphnia, moinia and shrimp, my Tap-water is fantastic for this purpose and is ultra hard, given that aspect and its probable constitution it may well lend itself to algal blooms within this aquarium. Hence what would be the best water to utilise for such a venture. I am privy to RO and Rainwater collection I just wanted to ascertain if Tap-water was considered a no no for these tanks.

Hi Liz,
I'm keeping the plan of old surrounding the fish.
Cardinals and Black Phantom tets, the two contrasting colours look magnificent with a dense green background. That last tank I had to passify myself with black skirts due to availability and they just didn't do it for me especially as they go greyer as they mature.
There are also some nice ottocinclus (a much later addition I might add) and some C. habrosus. the top layers are open for discussion though. (No not killifish) :lol:
The above collection of fish makes for a relaxing therapeutic mix.
Regards
C
 
I will address the lighting shortly Liz as that is one big question, I have a lot of T5 Daylight tubes from the marine setup, I dont know if they will be of any use, if not then hey ho. but I would like to utilise them in the short term if poss.
they are 2x 55w and 1x 35w respectively. I know this is probably going to be way too much can you advise
I can get Tropica (TPN) ferts over the net and a small nano powerhead. Advice on positioning of this added flow enhancing device would also not go amiss.
C
 
Hi Elenore,
I culture algae specifically for daphnia, moinia and shrimp, my Tap-water is fantastic for this purpose and is ultra hard, given that aspect and its probable constitution it may well lend itself to algal blooms within this aquarium. Hence what would be the best water to utilise for such a venture. I am privy to RO and Rainwater collection I just wanted to ascertain if Tap-water was considered a no no for these tanks.

Hi Liz,
I'm keeping the plan of old surrounding the fish.
Cardinals and Black Phantom tets, the two contrasting colours look magnificent with a dense green background. That last tank I had to passify myself with black skirts due to availability and they just didn't do it for me especially as they go greyer as they mature.
There are also some nice ottocinclus (a much later addition I might add) and some C. habrosus. he top layers are open for discussion though. (No not killifish) :lol:
The above collection of fish makes for a relaxing therapeutic mix.
Regards
C

I have kept all these species in Miami in hardwater conditions, using tapwater. Most are readily available in the trade and will adjust to your water conditions. I really doubt you'll need anything other than tapwater and tapwater contains trace that your plants would need. If you wanted an RO mix for possible breeding, I could see that being done.

If you take care of flow, ferts, CO2, lighting, and strike the balance that's right for your system, you won't get algae blooms, even in liquid rock. For you, my main concern is enough flow. I've heard pretty lousy things about the included filters in the Jewel tanks. Not enough power for planted tanks. Hobbiests are always fiddling with them.
 
Yeah I envisage getting a small Hydor Koralia turbine pump.
Where is the best place to spot it and angle in regards to the plants. Plant base, surface or just general circular movement around the tank.
CO2 I have, just need new regs, diffuser, reactor, drop checker and non return valve.
I gave my old regs to a fellow marine enthusiast as his D&D ones broke and he had no money at that particular time.
Any views on cheap far eastern makes for the above extras.
C
 
Yeah I envisage getting a small Hydor Koralia turbine pump.
Where is the best place to spot it and angle in regards to the plants. Plant base, surface or just general circular movement around the tank.
CO2 I have, just need new regs, diffuser, reactor, drop checker and non return valve.
I gave my old regs to a fellow marine enthusiast as his D&D ones broke and he had no money at that particular time.
Any views on cheap far eastern makes for the above extras.
C

This really depends on your final layout, and bear in mind, obviously as plants grow, this will change. Not used them myself, but I've heard good things about the Koralias.

So you are opting for pressurized CO2, then. :good: This will actually make it easier to control the CO2. Can I ask what the lighting is? Again, being from the US, I'm not familar with the Jewel lighting.

I don't have pressurized, so can't help you there, but I think in PARC there is an article where Aaronnorth, outlines where to get the supplies for pressurized CO2.

llj
 
yeah, WAY too much lighting. :lol: Though I may eat crow later if my new scape works. That one has a lot of light, more than I'd normally recommend, but I'm suspect about the quality of the fixture I'm using, so I'm willing to take a risk on it. We're bouncing back and forth between threads, here.
 
Yeah Liz amalgamate this into the journal if you can and we'll just use that.
How much lighting would you recommend out of my existing kit.

What's the stock lighting on the Rekord 60? I know, right? Stock lighting... This is 63 liters, yes? Same as my new ADA actually. I've got 48W of HO T5 over mine, but as I said, I'm suspect about the fixture's quality, and I have a very heavy plantmass. Will merge topics in a bit.

Edit: Move completed. Check the title, but you can fix that if you want.
 
I'm not using the juwel stock lighting as they only give you a 15w daylight tube. I have 55w t5 power compacts from my marine tank I also have similar 36w tubes how much lighting do you recommend 55w?
 

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