Not Again, Please Not Again

[K-Holed]

It's hard to see much from the pictures, but do any of these match the symptoms?

Ichthyosporidium
Lymphocystis
Glugea
Henneguya

Kind reagards

Jimi

 

[kribensis12]

I was treating the Callamanus worms with a De-worming flake:
http/angelsplus.com/FlakeMedicated.htm

Teh active ingredient is fenbendazole.

K-Holed: From what I've read on those diseases, the most likely is Lymphocystis , but the mortality rate is incrediably low, and I have lost 4 fish to this (recently) and I have never had a fish survive this.

 

[kribensis12]

I think there may be a clue to this disease. I was doing a gravel vac today, and saw several 1 inch, thin, see through worms swimming in the water. I promptly sucked them up. I think one may have been over 2 inches, I am not positive though.

 

[WILDER]

Do the worms have a y shaped tail.
A pic might help identify them.

Are you sure the lumps on the fish haven't been caused by these worms.
Parasites can cause lumps and sores on fish.

 

[loraxchick]

i ws thinking the same thing Wilder when i wrote my last post.
probably not Lymphocystis as this appears almost like bubbles on the fish-fluid filled "balls". what the OP described is more of an encapsulated cyst of some sort. some of these are caused by parasitic "worms" (nematodes/trematodes) which is why i suggest using a different antiparasitic med. Levamisole is much better than fenbendazole, really. also, you need to treat the water with an anti-parasitic med at the same time. not "up" on particular medication BRANDS, but have a look at the active ingredients and look for lavamisole. a combination of meds can also be found in antiparasitic food/water treatment that might contain both of these ingredients and also one called nitrofurazole. a combo of these would be the best bet as covers a WIDE spectrum of parasites. lavamazole is the best one tho if the meds available to you are not a mix of the above drugs, especially for camallanus worms, which sometimes can be very difficult to treat.
just thought id share some info-ive recently been a disease research fanatic trying to figure out what's going on with one of my fish. it is MADDENING!!! so i feel your "pain" as it were.
have a search around for meds. and try to research internal parasites (be sure to look at images in google too-very helpful ive found). just keep reading and reading and reading. you will have an "a-HA!" moment at some point.
all the best!
cheers

 

[kribensis12]

The tail was not forked. I only way I can get levamisole is by purchasing a cattle dewormer, but I am afriad that I will admister the wrong doesage. I've actually heard that Fenbendazole is a better med. I do have CopperSafe that kills external Parasites. I could give that a try to kill the worms. I can't get a picture. My camera doesn't take good pictures (as seen by the guppy photo), but I have never seen anything like this. Why is BRANDS capitalized? I always check for active ingredients. I know of a medicated food by jungle that has levasimole and praziquantel in the food, but the food is very undesirable, and my fish won't eat it.

 

[WILDER]

Get you some info on levaimsole. If you overdose it dosn't matter I think.

http/www.loaches.com/disease-treatment/levamisole-hydrochloride-1

According to the link only extreme over dosing would cause death.

Camallanous worms are hard to get rid off. Levaimsole meant to be the best med to use for the nasty parasite.

 

[kribensis12]

I understand, but these are not callamanus worms. These worms are like 8 times larger, see through, and a little bit thicker. There has been no red worms sticking out of the anus of the fish. The guppies haven't shown any signs yet, so whatever it is may have cycled through the tank?

 

[WILDER]

Camallanous worms are translucent. There only red when there been feeding on the host.

http/www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/nematodes.shtml

Taken from the above link.


Camallanus cotti Often with the nematode Camallanus, your first view of the parasite may be one or several reddish worms protruding from the fishes' anus. The worms are actually transparent; the red tint is from the victim's blood. The ones you see are all females, which can get to a centimeter in length; the little males are a third their length. At this point the host's intestine is packed with parasites, and the creatures are shedding their microscopic larval young into the water.

 

[loraxchick]

hey dude, calm down. seems like your fighting the assistance given. brands was capped because i dont know what meds contain what. i just know what to look for for specific diseases. im 99.999% certain that is parasite infection. whether camallanus or some type of flagellate, or even protazoa. thats why a broad spectrum would be better than what youve been usuing. Levamasole is good stuff. starve the fish before you feed it. prazi is good too. if you can find a med that contains levamasole and praziquentel (or even nitrofurazole-sold for bacteria and even fungus but can be useful for some parasites.)
do you have live plants? what sort of substrate? are you certain the worm you saw isnt a tubifex? ive got them in one of my tanks. some of them are really small and sort of see through as you described. glassworms...or camallanus. all sorts of worm-type things that can get into a tank.
if this were bacterial, there would be other symptoms by now, as you said this has been going on for months.
you will also need to treat the water for parasites. there are meds you add to the tank. doesnt harm the filterbacs but is essential to eradicate the parasites (depending on which type you have, some have a complex life cycle and free swimming larval/"juvi" stage. it may explain why youve had reoccurance of this illness. and parasites dont always make fish look skinny-some make them very bloated and red JUST like your picture.
i know it is frustrating for you. id be going nuts. have you done any side-research? im telling you-google internal parasites and read read read. look at images. you will get an "a-ha" moment eventually.and as i said before, camallanus isnt always easy to get rid of. if you lose all these fish, i suggest not getting any more of that type.
not trying to argue or anything bear in mind. i dont envy your situation.
best of luck
CHEERS

 

[kribensis12]

I'm not trying to argue, I just don't see how it could be callamnus. I problem is, I just don't have the money at this time to purchase any meds. I will try the internal parasite med again, and treat with coppersafe to kill the worms that are in there. I have no idea what kind of worms they are. I will google it.

 

[kribensis12]

Well, I ordered 4 oz. of PraziPro. Hopefully this works. I couldn't find a good deal on levasimole anywhere. I should be in my maybe next wednesday, if I am lucky,

 

[WILDER]

Let us know how you get on krib.
Good Luck.

 

[kribensis12]

I got the med in today. I am treating them right now. I hope things turn out well!

 

[WILDER]

Glad the med arrived.
It might knock the fish for a few days, so don't panic.
Keep us all updated on there progress.