Nitrite, Nitrate And Ammonia Levels Gone Crazy!

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Hi, I am fairly new to keeping fish.
I started my tropical freshwater tank on 11.17.07 (Nov. 17, 2007)
I started the tank when I inherited a Betta who would have been flushed....
So I read about cycling the tank and all that and I add the betta to a 5 gall. tank and added a pleco almost immediately. I added live plants that came with snails. They were ramshorns and got out of hand. I waited for the tank to cycle and added about 6 weeks later 2 mollies and 3 dwarf puffers.
Long story short, the betta is now safely by himself .... and tank set up is now as follows:
Tank Set up is 5 gal. with 3 dwarf puffers, 2 Mollies and a rubber lip pleco. Heavily planted with live plants, Temp = 79.0 - 81.5 on average. I use a heating pad at night to make up for the heat that is lost when the lights are off. Lights are usually on during the day through the evening and off at night. Filtered with BioWheel 5-10 gal. filter. I also have an air pump for the pleco. small, rounded gravel bottom
I have a way to test everything except kH--I can't find a liquid test for this...only strips that come as part of another kit (That i don't need). Any recommendations on a good kH test kit?

Everything has been fine until I changed the water earlier this month. On 01.13.08 my Nitrate level was 40ppm. NO2 and NH3/NH4 are at 0 each. All other set up conditions the same. Time for h20 change.

The results when I tested the water yesterday (02.01.08) are as follows before h20 change:
pH = 7.4-7.6 (I will give ranges when the color seemed to be between 2 measurements)
NO2 = 0.25
NO3 = 10
NH3/NH4 = 0.25

so these numbers mean the fish are being exposed to bad conditions and I change the water (50%) and leave the tank alone for the night. I keep all the set up the same and do my best to keep the temp the same and light consistent.
I test the water again today. The results are:
pH = 6.8
NO2 = 1.0ppm
NO3 = 40ppm
NH3/NH4 = 0.25ppm

So the nitrates went up overnight after a 50% h20 change. So I change the water again, after this test doing a 2/3 change this time and deeply vacuuming the gravel. A lot of black solid stuff came up...

So then I measure the water about an hour after changing it and my levels are:
pH = 7.4 - 7.6 (same)
NO2 = 0 - 0.25ppm
NO3 = 20ppm
NH3/NH4 = 0 - 0.25ppm

Nitrites and Nitrates are lower and Ammonia and ammonium seem to be lower too.
Does this mean, though, that I need to change the water again tomorrow? Should I wait that long...?
Do I need to wait longer? These are still hazardous water conditions right?
Is the tank over crowded? have I over fed them? Please help me...I think I've done something wrong....

In all this though, the fish are acting completely normally. Everyone is getting along just fine. No one seems stressed, everyone is active, no gaping, no clamped fins, eating normally, etc. The water also did not seem cloudy or dirty, nor did it smell.....There seemed to be nothing cuing me to change the water.

So now I'm confused about how often are water changes necessary: Weekly, bi-weekly, monthly? depends on tank and water conditions? I thought I had learned all these answers, but obviously something is not working right!

Thanks in advance
 
Your tanks overstocked for a 5 gallons.
Livebearerss are active fish and shouldn't really be kept in anything smaller than a 10 galllon.
Plecs are massive waste producers.
I would rehome the plec as the tanks to small for him.
Your water quality should get back to normal if you rehome him.
 
Seems overcrowded to me m8.. doing more water changes should bring the levels back right.. but seems there is to much waste being produced for it to cope with.

Best test kit i have used is API master kit.

edited oops Wilder was too fast for me lol
 
typo perhaps? is it really 5 gallon?

EDIT: well done with the details, give peeps something to go on
 
typo perhaps? is it really 5 gallon?

EDIT: well done with the details, give peeps something to go on

Thanks for reading all that. No, unfortunately it is not a typo. I was really hoping you wouldn't say my tank was over crowded. I am on a budget now and will get a bigger tank in the future...what can I do in the meantime? I can't keep the puffers and the betta together....and if the 5 gal. is too small for the pleco then the 2.5gal with the betta is way too small....
what to do in the meantime? the pleco is not even a full 3" could he really be too big for the tank? I thought he is not supposed to get more than 3"..... that is why i got him. he's kinda cute in an ugly way too!!!!
Even if I did go run out and buy a 10 gallon, i would still need to cycle it right? so that means 4 weeks at least if i could buy one now....
What to do?
Thanks again for reading all that. I know it was long!!
 
i got to go its 01.50am in the UK here!

i often over stock, so i am in your club!

You seem to have a great attitude though and want to work to get the best results, i think you will get some good help here. I'll try and catch up on this tomorrow

How do you make Gum? oh tell me another time lol
 
typo perhaps? is it really 5 gallon?

EDIT: well done with the details, give peeps something to go on

Thanks for reading all that. No, unfortunately it is not a typo. I was really hoping you wouldn't say my tank was over crowded. I am on a budget now and will get a bigger tank in the future...what can I do in the meantime? I can't keep the puffers and the betta together....and if the 5 gal. is too small for the pleco then the 2.5gal with the betta is way too small....
what to do in the meantime? the pleco is not even a full 3" could he really be too big for the tank? I thought he is not supposed to get more than 3"..... that is why i got him. he's kinda cute in an ugly way too!!!!
Even if I did go run out and buy a 10 gallon, i would still need to cycle it right? so that means 4 weeks at least if i could buy one now....
What to do?
Thanks again for reading all that. I know it was long!!


Until you get a bigger tank, you will just have to do more small waterchanges to keep the levels down, What actually is the plec? if its a common plec it will grow a lot bigger than 3" im sorry to say and will need a bigger tank asap cos he will soon grow..

Hope you get sorted though :)
 
Thanks again all. It is 7:00 pm here! I still have some time left!!
He is a rubber lip pleco. I forgot the other names of him but you can google him and see what he looks like. He is definitely not a common pleco. He is supposed to stay small.....so whatever kind that is, though I'm pretty sure it's called a rubber lip...

:crazy: grrrrr....he better stay small!!!

I have the API master test kit too, but no kH measurement in that one.

I make gum by working at one of the world's leading gum manufacturing co.s! I have over 5 pounds of gum on hand right now!!! mmmm....gum!!!!

so, i should change the water again within the next 24 hours or so...right? how much should I change? if i need to do more frequent smaller changes does that mean 25%? and about how frequent? weekly? 2 times per week?

I also forgot to mention that I have ammonia remover (in the form of rocks that fit into a filter) in the tank, but not in the filter...that has kept the ammonia levels down in the past...i just changed that too so when all the crazy numbers came up that was with a new ammonia remover pouch. do i need to add another one? i have an extra....
 
Thanks again all. It is 7:00 pm here! I still have some time left!!
He is a rubber lip pleco. I forgot the other names of him but you can google him and see what he looks like. He is definitely not a common pleco. He is supposed to stay small.....so whatever kind that is, though I'm pretty sure it's called a rubber lip...

:crazy: grrrrr....he better stay small!!!

I have the API master test kit too, but no kH measurement in that one.

I make gum by working at one of the world's leading gum manufacturing co.s! I have over 5 pounds of gum on hand right now!!! mmmm....gum!!!!

so, i should change the water again within the next 24 hours or so...right? how much should I change? if i need to do more frequent smaller changes does that mean 25%? and about how frequent? weekly? 2 times per week?

I also forgot to mention that I have ammonia remover (in the form of rocks that fit into a filter) in the tank, but not in the filter...that has kept the ammonia levels down in the past...i just changed that too so when all the crazy numbers came up that was with a new ammonia remover pouch. do i need to add another one? i have an extra....

I would do small 10% changes every 2-3 days, and see how the levels go, if levels aint right, then up it to 15%... and so oin until you find a balance that keeps the levels good.

is this the plec? if so as far as i have read, they grow to a max of 5"

Rubber_Lip_Pleco.jpg
 
I think that is what Al looks like, he is hiding right now so I can't make a good comparison, but if memory serves, his striping/spotting looks the same and he does not have any whiskers....

what is "oin"?
 
I think that is what Al looks like, he is hiding right now so I can't make a good comparison, but if memory serves, his striping/spotting looks the same and he does not have any whiskers....

what is "oin"?


Sorry it was meant to say... and so on :blush:

You called your plec Al?

lol, My mother loves plecs and she was looking in one of my tanks and claimed a albino plec and cos it was albino, she named him Al lol
 

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