New To Breeding - Pregnant Platy?

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I have two platys, a male and female, both sunset fire wagtails. I have had them for maybe 6 months now. The female looks to be very fat and I can make out a faint gravid spot above her three fins. I can also see a bright white dot on her underside, what is this? Is there any other way to tell if she is pregnant? I have put her in a seperate 10 gallon for now until I know for sure.
 
A bright white dot? Can you describe it anymore? Does it look fluffy? How big is it? Any chance of a picture? :) And what are your current water params?

Kinda off topic, but you should get at least one more female. It's best to keep 2-3 females per male, otherwise the male will constantly pester and try to mate with only one fish, and will easily stress her out which isn't good. 2 or more spread out his affection. :thumbs:

By the way, welcome to the forums, and best of luck with your fishies! :D
 
The dot is similiar to the dot seen on female bettas before they drop their eggs. I have removed the female from the male so hopefully this will take the stress away? I used to have two females but one died about 2 months ago.

Kind of off topic, I just set up two ten gallon tanks that I have had sitting around in my house and I have been debating about what to put in them. After about a ten month battle with trying to breed bettas, I have decided I might be interested in trying guppies, since it seems fairly easy to do in comparison. My question is, should I buy guppies from my lfs or should I order some online, perhaps from this site: http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_pages/..._table.htm#top2

I was thinking to cycle the tank, I will float two new filter bags in my existing 10G and then use those, would that work?

Any advice on how to start with guppies?
 
I'm not quite sure what that dot is. I know what you mean, by female Bettas. Any chance of a picture? And is this right by her gravid spot?


Breeding Guppies is VERY easy. No work there! :p I'd personally buy from your LFS, as the ones you order online you can't look at, and assess the health of. Or how easily they swim, or what they will look like. I have a check list I go through when looking at Livebearers...

Body: Any healthy live-bearer's abdomen should look convex, when viewed in a profile. The female usually looks more convex then the male. These fish have a "chubby" look to them. This should also appear in females that have just given birth, even though they may look very slender. All other fish should appear well-fed.
Be careful of fish with protuding scales, and bloated bellies! Most times, if not all times, these fish are incurable.
A large head, that looks disproportionate to it's body, is usually a sign the fish has undergone long hunger periods. This doesn't mean the fish will die, but it shouldn't be used for breeding.
Gills: Healthy fish breathe slowly, although they breathe somewhat faster in a densely populated tank. As the fish breathe, they expose the gill cover. This should appear a pale reddish color, in healthy fish.
Fins: Missing or partially developed fins are ALWAYS a bad signal. Frayed edges on the fin, are usually the sign of a disease, although there may be other causes.
In a healthy fish, the fins should visably stick out from the body. A fish that clamps it's fins, and maybe rocks from side to side is definatly not feeling well, and may easily get a disease.
Eyes: The eyes should appear clear, and never protrude un-natuarally from the head.
Skin: The skin should not show any white spots, mold, fungus, or white film. The scales should hug the body, and look smooth. Be sure to examine the tip of the mouth with extra care, to be sure there is no white film.

Another sign to look out for when buying healthy fish is avoid it if it seems to hang around on its own near the bottom of the tank alot as this is a common sign of a sick fish. Also avoid getting a female livebearer that is heavily pregnant(although this can be hard to find, especially in guppys) because not only is the move from the fish shop to your tank twice as stressful (i.e she will be more likely to abort her fry, become ill and/or die). The other reason is if there is a sudden difference in water stats like ammonia in coming from the LFS's tank water to yours, this can cause birth deformitys in the fry, cause still born fry and/or miscarriages.

Also, it might be worthwhile to look at the tail length of the male. The longer the tail, the more trouble they will have swimming, usually. Also, you can't have much current because it can split their tails. You could look into Feeder Guppies if you don't like the very long-tailed males. :)


Floating 2 new filter bags will be okay...however I'd still allow some time between when you get the Guppies and when you put the filters in the new tank. Check your water stats daily to see if they come out as cycled. :thumbs:


Tips for Guppies...hmmm...
  1. Keep their water clean! Fancy Guppies are pretty inbred to get their fancy colors and long tails. This makes them weaker. So clean water will be good for them, and help keep them healthy. This might mean once a week water changes, though I'd guess since you have Bettas you are used to this, probably more then once a week water changes!
  2. Check the water params often.
  3. Don't change the water around rapidly. For example, don't use chemicals to mess with the p.H. It's better to just leave it where it is, they will adapt.
  4. Only get a few to start with. I'd suggest a trio. They will have a lot of fry...and quickly fill up that tank.
  5. Have a plan for the fry. Whether you want to do a survival of the fittest, or raise the fry in another 10 gallon, whatever. Have a plan for them for when they are grown up.
That's about all I can think of now. Depending on what you plan to do with the fry, i.e. raise them or let them be, I can give you more info on that.

Sorry if you know some of this stuff, I'm just being careful and telling you a lot. Sorry if you have information overload too! :p
 
First of all...Thank you so much for all the info!

Will buying guppies from a lfs produce decent fry or will I get an ugly colored mix? I know when i tried bettas everyone said no to the lfs because if the spawning is successful you end up with multi-colored garbage really. When I feel a female is ready to give birth, should I put her in a breeding net, or breeding trap, or a seperate 10g? Not sure which is best. If I have a 10g that I plan to put my guppies in, would say 2 males and 4 females be a good amount?

Sorry for all the question but thanks for all the info.
 
Don't worry about asking me questions ever. I love to help people, and don't get bothered in the slightest when people ask tons of questions. Ask away! :D

Now, with that said....

Depending on what colors you get from the LFS, you'll get decent fry. Guppies aren't really like Bettas in the breeding sense. Most Guppies you get at the LFS are decent. None of them are really pure, mind you, so you might get some mutts, but they all turn out well. You might get a mix of red and blue, with some funky markings. You won't get designer show Guppies, I'll tell you that, but you'll get average Guppies. :) I

'd personally put the female in a 10 gallon. Breeding traps and breeding nets can be stressful for them, so it can cause them to abort, miscarry, have birthing troubles, sometimes even a die. A 10 gallon will be heaven for her. :thumbs:

For your tank, you could either get a male and 3 females, or 2 males 6 females. I'd personally go three females per male, since that's a smallish tank and less room to get away. :)

Anyway, onto the fry tank. I'm assuming that's what you mean by putting the female in the 10 gallon? Let her have fry there and raise them seperately?

For substrate, you basically have three:
  1. Sand. This is a fairly easy option. It's good because it's very safe for fry. And also, most of the waste will stay on the top of the sand, so it's easy to syphon off. However, you do need to stir the sand, but that's easy to do with the water changes. :)
  2. Bare-bottom This is another pretty easy option. All the waste is easy to see, and you don't have to worry about any substrate at all. However, you could only really have fry in this tank, no Cories or bottom-dwellers, but that's usually not a problem in a fry tank anyway!
  3. Gravel. Gravel is also fairly easy, though probably the hardest of the three. For two reasons. One - Sometimes fry can get stuck between pieces of gravel. And Two - Little bits of food and waste can fall between the pieces of gravel, which makes it harder to clean out, and you can miss some, which will deteriorate your water quality which isn't good for fry! It is pretty easy to syphon though, because you don't have to worry about it getting sucked up like sand.
So that's basically your substrate options. For decor, anything is good...rocks, wood, plants, little caves...basically anything that gives the fry something to hide in, and chase their brothers and sisters around. :p

Another thing with fry, is they need good water quality. I'd recommend you do at least twice a week water changes, but often is better. You can even do it once a day. Whcih brings me to water changes. They can be kind of hard with fry, because you're always worried about sucking them up and everything. There are 4 ways you can do it, or you can combine some together.
  • Make a little syphon out or airline tubing. This usually works pretty well, because it's too small for fry, but it still gets most of the waste.
  • Use a turkey baster.
  • Shine a flashlight near the tank, but not in it. Most fry will eitehr go towards it, or away from it, and then you can clean where they aren't.
  • Just syphon or do water changes as usual. Just check before you dump the water, that no fry are there. If some get syphoned up, it's not going to kill them. Just stick them back in the tank. :)
Now, for feeding. It's best if you can feed at least 3 times a day, preferably 5-6.
Guppy fry are born pretty small, you may want to start with Liquifry. Or you could just skip to some kind of fry food, like Hikari First Bites, or Tetramin fry food. This you can feed for about two weeks, maybe longer. You can also alternate in Live Baby Brine Shrimp.
When they get older, you can move on to finely crushed flakes. Remember to make them reeeeeeally small pieces! You can continue feeding the Brine Shrimp here if you want.
As they get even older, the flake pieces can get older, and you can start giving them little pieces of Freeze-dried/Frozen foods. Small things like Daphnia, or very finely crushed Freeze-dried Brine Shrimp works well. Don't feed this more then maybe 2-3 times a week, because too much can cause bloating and/or constipation.
And as they get even older, you can start feeding things in bigger pieces, and other bigger foods until they are basically eating what the adults are. :D

They are safe to put it with the other fish when they are too big to fit in the biggest fish's mouth. However, it would be best if you could seperate brothers and sisters to prevent too much inbreeding. If it happens, it happens. One or two generations won't hurt too much, but it's betetr if you can seperate them. Females will have tiny gravid spots, and males of course will get gonopodiums. Be aware, males can look like females for a long time, then one day get a gonopodium. So just remember that!

Another thing to remember, is Guppies have fry often. Females will produce fry about every month. If you have a small fry tank, you can't raise all these fry. Pace yourself. As you get more and more fry, you can always do a survival of the fittest, though I know it sounds mean. If you do this, just feed the tank as normal, and the fry will figure out a way to eat. Also, remember, even if you seperate the male from the female, once they female has been impregnanted once, they can store sperm for up to 7 more pregnancies! Basically, they can have 7 more batches of fry, with no contact with a male.

*Has a feeling she should stop rambling before William's head explodes with information...* :p

Best of luck! :D
 
Thank you once again! I am learning so much in one night it's awesome! I tried to take pictures of my female platy to see if you can tell if she's prego. I can;t figure out how to post them on here but I can email them to you if you wish. Thanks for all your help.
 
I feel so helpful! :p

Sure, email them to me. Once you do, I'll host them with my other Photos and then post them on here. My email is applebeevaulter@hotmail.com :)

Otherwise, if you'd rather host them yourself, you can do so using Imageshack or Photobucket. Just upload your pictures on to there, and then copy the URL, click the IMG tag on here (The button that looks like a picture) and paste in the address. It should show up as a picture. :)

If it is easier for you, though, just email them to me. I'll gladly do it for you. :D
 
For now it would be easier if you did it for me so I sent you the photos. Thank you.
 
I edited them a little to make them smaller so they weren't a killer for dial-uppers. Hope that's okay! :)

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I'd say she is definitely pregnant. However hard I try though, I can't see the white dot. :X Is it still there?

She looks like a pretty normal pregnant Platy to me. Her fins do look a little shreded, which may be becaue of the male...I'd definitely get at least one more female. :nod:
 
What makes you say that she is definitely pregnant? I'm not arguing, just trying to learn what you look for. The white spot is on the underside and I can't get close enough to take a picture from below. SHould I keep her in the seperate 10G I have her in now?

Also...for the guppies...

WOuld buying from this site:
http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_pages/...ppies_table.htm

be good or should I just buy from my lfs? My lfs said they are getting guppies today but not to buy until friday to see which ones make it, but I'm anxious to get started, would it be ok to buy today The other thing is I'm not sure if I casn get the right mix (1 malke, 2 or 3 females) from my lfs as I rarely see females. My lfs is rather small.

Thanks in advance.
 
The fact that she looks very fat, and you can faintly see a darker patch near her anal fins. They always have gravid spots, but this one is dark and pretty big. It's mostly how fat she is that makes me think she is pregnant. :)

You could buy from there, but for the reasons I said before, I'd rather go to the LFS. I would not buy today. Definitely wait until Friday. You need to have a lot of patience in fishkeeping! Also, is the tank cycled you want to put them in? What were the latest water stats? How long have the filters been in there, and how long has it been set up?

If you can't get the right number of females per male...either get all males, or just get a few so you can have the right ratio. Basically any female you get is going to be pregnant...so you'll have fry. :thumbs:
 
Well, the platy is in her seperate 10G and keeps hiding in my tree stump ornament. Hopefully she is pregnant and will give birth soon.

As for the guppies...I have two 10gs ready for them. Both had a 1/2" or less of gravel, internal whisper filters, and heaters. I have placed a stump ornament and plastic plants in one and a piece of driftwood and plastic plants in the other. Both are at about 78 degrees. I have two filters sitting in my existing tank that I will place in these two tanks. I think I will go to my lfs tomorrow to purchase my guppies, 1 male for each 2 females. Perhaps I will start with 6 or 9 fish between the two tanks. Should I buy a breeding net?

Does everything sound good to go? Anything else I need?

Well, the platy is in her seperate 10G and keeps hiding in my tree stump ornament. Hopefully she is pregnant and will give birth soon.

As for the guppies...I have two 10gs ready for them. Both had a 1/2" or less of gravel, internal whisper filters, and heaters. I have placed a stump ornament and plastic plants in one and a piece of driftwood and plastic plants in the other. Both are at about 78 degrees. I have two filters sitting in my existing tank that I will place in these two tanks. I think I will go to my lfs tomorrow to purchase my guppies, 1 male for each 2 females. Perhaps I will start with 6 or 9 fish between the two tanks. Should I buy a breeding net?

Does everything sound good to go? Anything else I need?
 
Actually, I wouldn't get Guppies for both tanks. If you are serious about breeding, use one for a fry raising tank. :) Then get maybe 4 females, 2 males for one 10 gallon. 6 Guppies will enough to get you started. Other then that, you sound perfectly prepared. Excellent job! :D

She will probably have fry within the next two weeks, I would guess.

Best of luck with your fishies! :thumbs:
 
Another question...

Should I get any fish to put in the tank(s) with my guppies such as an algae eater or some bottom feeders? Would they harm the guppies or fry when there eventally are fry? Maybe an apple snail? I just want to have a way to keep the tank somewhat clean.

Also, I have two 10gs I can use, one currently has my female platy in it. Should I keep all the guppies, male and female, in one tank then move the females to the other when they are pregnant?

For food, the only food I have that I think they will eat is flake food that I would crush to a powder. Will this work? I would prefer to stay away from live and even frozen foods as this became a hassle when working with bettas, especially hatching bbs. Will flake food work? Could I get some freeze dried foods and crush it with the flakes into a powder mix?
 

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