New Tank

[fishstick]

From the first posting this thread has been arrogant and an invitation to admire a cruel attitude to fishkeeping. Most fishkeepers who contribute to these forums display interest and concern for the small creatures in their care. If there are people who arrange and enjoy the torment of one fish by another I suggest this is not the forum for them.

 

[RoscoMcFish]

Apologies again as it is apparently needed, i posted information here seeking to gain a more thorough understanding concerning the relationships of the fish i mentiond. However, as well intentiond as the advice LisaD gave, it was innacurate, and as such must be dismisd as beleive it or not, i do actually want some of my fish to survive, not kill me in my sleep.

As for the "cruel" attitude towards other fish, if you cannot understand the simple concept that animals actually kill other creatures then i do not think a fish or any animal is for you. If this bothers you so much i would send an extremely irrate letter to Deep Sea World and begin a petition to ban the cruel and unusual behavior of feeding seals. Do you even understand the conditions and enviroment of how the most basic of flake food products are produced?. It is alright to harvest and rape our natural oceans of livestock to the point of depopulation of vast stretches of water and then to process these creatures in a factory production line for proffit but yet it is somehow inhumane of me to feed a predatory fish such as my Cichlid some live Tetras to ensure he is happy?. And you call me arrogant. I see.

Sadly since posting here i have been met with personal insults from at least three seperate individuals who do not really seem to fathom nor appreciate the intricisies of keeping an aquarium. I can only suggest that perhaps you begin with a BIo-OrbZ and maybe a few snails[work your way up to the goldfish, it takes time] and see where this takes you.

It is sad thought that perhaps you have created some twisted little community here where enquiries must consist of happy thoughts powerd by rainbow power or anything else finds you accused of being some quasi-mythological humanoid defoid of any form that lives under bridges and torments people

 

[LisaLQ]

Oh I'm loving this, keep going - it's really funny!

I was just about to reply with a lengthy post about the wrongs and rights, but you're obviously just a sad little teenager who has far too much to do during the holidays. I hope mummy gets you a game boy and you can leave us all in peace *lmao*

 

[FishMasterPro]

Lisa I have reported you to the local authorities. Claiming that a Jaguar Cichlid is an aggresive fish is like claiming this on the queen herself! NO no, dont try worm your way out of this one. You made your own bed, now lie in it!

 

[LisaLQ]

*waits for the coppers to arrive*

 

[RoscoMcFish]

Sorry LisaLQ, i just dont see the point in resorting to insults and fallacious generalisations with strangers over the internet, seems kinda useless and rather childish, but If anyone has any genuine information to pass along it would most appreciated please.

 

[LisaLQ]

People have given you genuine information, you chose to ignore it. If you're waiting for someone to come along and tell you what you're doing is ok - what you want to hear rather than what you need to learn, you may be disappointed.

I suggest now if you have any more bickering and childishness to take it to pm, because I'm not going to bother writing on here and wasting the site owners board space on this nonsense.

 

[RoscoMcFish]

well actualy thats all youv been doing is wasting board space and peoples time, you refer to "people" giving me advice however that is innacurate[like your original advice was innacurate] as only yourself voluntered any information with regards to my question. I understand it was well intentiond, but i know as much to realise that it was innacurate all the same, if this somehow brings you to question your ego to the point that you must insult people then so be it, thats your problem, not mine, nor the other people using this board.

As for "bickering" and displays of child like tantrums i have done no such thing, i have simply responded with great patience to something that seems more or less like an attack on my person, i again state i do not understand this. My approach to fish keeping may be different to yours, but that is no excuse to attempt an ostracization of myself.

Please accept our attitudes differ and please do not resort to personal attacks that will resolve in nothing.

Again i will state this as clear as i can, if you keep a predatory fish, you as a person will be required to re create its enviroment as sufficiently as possible, otherwise you will do this creature great harm, those that wish to choose community tanks can maintane them to their hearts content to avoid the apparently grizzly moral dilema of having other creatures killed. I however do not keep a community tank, i keep a tank of ruthles predatory killers, and seek to maintane as best as possible the enviroment they would otherwise be used to, simply to ensure their happyness. It is simple as that, if this causes offence then mea culpa.

 

[stang1]

I should imagine that a lot of people haven't answered your thread because they don't agree with what you are doing.
People on this forum are great fish lovers whether they be tetras, oscars, discus etc. To let your fish feed on the smaller fish just seems cruel and unnecessary.
While I understand that you want to create the perfect environment for your fish, there are plenty of people who keep predatory fish without having to feed them the same diet as yours. It doesn't matter what type of fish you keep, they all deserve the best quality of life we can give them.
If you are looking for people to agree with your methods and not criticize then perhaps you've come to the wrong forum.
As for insults, suggesting people should start out with goldfish is patronising and condescending. There are many people on this forum who have many years experience with keeping fish without having to feed them the same way as you.
Lisa has only stated what a lot of people are perhaps thinking, she has given plenty of good advice on this forum and I have never found her to be rude. Maybe it's your attitude that has caused the upset.

 

[FishMasterPro]

Lets go back to basics here. If Rosco was not to feed his cichlids live fish such as tetras, you propose he uses prepared dry foods such as flake and pellets. What are flake and pellets made from? How do they make them? What is the process involved? I rest my case.

 

[Morquinn]

For some reason I think the two people that are "with" each other are the same people.. but whatever..

Anyways, I just wanted to put some imput on the basic question at hand. I understand the purpose behind why you want to feed your predatory fish other fish, but maybe a fish meant for this would be better? On the other hand, isnt feeding live fish also a good way to kill the fish thats eating it? I guess I would rather (if I did feed my oscars live fish, which I dont) not feed them a fish thats beautiful and belongs in an aquarium of its own, like these tetras your talking about, but rather maybe some dinky feeder guppies, or rosy reds?
Basically these high quality cichlid pellets that most people feed are a balanced diet for them, and seem to do better on them, than if they were eating diseased and parasitic filled fish. Im not trying to really get in on this argument, but im giving you an option and some imput on what I think would be best for your fish.
Some people, like you, are into the natural selection of fish eating fish and so on.. but there are other choices out there than feeding fish that should have a chance of survival in its own aquarium. Because like you said, you mentioned about how they get these fish, and what the fish go through, or what have you, but than you buy them and purposely end their life.

Now as for your choices of fish together.. ive heard you can keep a JD and Oscar together, im not sure the temperments of the other cichlids you mentioned, but im sure, if its a cichlid, its predatory. Anyhow, I think you could keep a discus in their fine, even with the oscar. Discus are oddly shaped fish, and if you bought them large enough, the oscar wouldnt be able to eat them, however since you have already had your oscar in this tank for however long, it could possibly bully around the discus. I have had my oscars since they were an inch long, and I house them with SilverDollars and even giant danios, they dont pay them no mind, but if I tried to add another fish, I could kiss them goodbye now.

Anyways, im just disagreeing with feeding them beautiful tetras, feed them live if you want, but I bet if you tested whether they lived longer on high quality pellets over live fish, im pretty sure I know which one would live longer..

 

[loatmead]

For some reason I think the two people that are "with" each other are the same people.. but whatever..

Anyways, I just wanted to put some imput on the basic question at hand. I understand the purpose behind why you want to feed your predatory fish other fish, but maybe a fish meant for this would be better? On the other hand, isnt feeding live fish also a good way to kill the fish thats eating it? I guess I would rather (if I did feed my oscars live fish, which I dont) not feed them a fish thats beautiful and belongs in an aquarium of its own, like these tetras your talking about, but rather maybe some dinky feeder guppies, or rosy reds?
Basically these high quality cichlid pellets that most people feed are a balanced diet for them, and seem to do better on them, than if they were eating diseased and parasitic filled fish. Im not trying to really get in on this argument, but im giving you an option and some imput on what I think would be best for your fish.
Some people, like you, are into the natural selection of fish eating fish and so on.. but there are other choices out there than feeding fish that should have a chance of survival in its own aquarium. Because like you said, you mentioned about how they get these fish, and what the fish go through, or what have you, but than you buy them and purposely end their life.

Now as for your choices of fish together.. ive heard you can keep a JD and Oscar together, im not sure the temperments of the other cichlids you mentioned, but im sure, if its a cichlid, its predatory. Anyhow, I think you could keep a discus in their fine, even with the oscar. Discus are oddly shaped fish, and if you bought them large enough, the oscar wouldnt be able to eat them, however since you have already had your oscar in this tank for however long, it could possibly bully around the discus. I have had my oscars since they were an inch long, and I house them with SilverDollars and even giant danios, they dont pay them no mind, but if I tried to add another fish, I could kiss them goodbye now.

Anyways, im just disagreeing with feeding them beautiful tetras, feed them live if you want, but I bet if you tested whether they lived longer on high quality pellets over live fish, im pretty sure I know which one would live longer..

 

[loatmead]

Hi all (well to some of you),
im new here and just cant believe some of the comments that i have just seen.Big enough tank or not, right mix of fish or not, i dont know.What i do know is that that attituide sucks.

 

[Fishkrazy1]

Lisa I agree with you, why send your poor beautiful fish to their dooms? Oscars will eat your angles and discus as will your green terrors! and WOLF CICHLIDS?! are you crazy?! Wolfs are just as aggressive if not mroe aggressive than oscars and get larger than them!!! Hell why not add some red devils well your at or?! or hey! Even a red-tailed catfish! They cap out at 6'! Man DO NOT ADD YOUR DISCUS AND ANGLES TO THAT TANK! GET THEM THEIR OWN LIKE 75 GALLON TANK FOR THEMSELVES!

Ps... Good luck with the tank MTS RULES lolz

Lets go back to basics here. If Rosco was not to feed his cichlids live fish such as tetras, you propose he uses prepared dry foods such as flake and pellets. What are flake and pellets made from? How do they make them? What is the process involved? I rest my case.

Yes... that may be true that they are using fish for that however... those fish are bred and killed for that purpose! tetras are not bred to be feeders! if your going to feed fish to your cichlids I suggest rosy reds WHICH ARE BRED FOR FEEDING TO LARGER FISH!!! Fishmasterpro please change your name as you seem to be one who just likes to argue and somebody who knows little about fish, and common scense for that matter... Try a name such as... Iliketoargueblackiswhite