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Gavilb

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Hi,

I have an female opaline gourami in my 180 litre community tank.... i was thinking about getting a pair of dwarf neon gourami to go with it. would these be compatible - if so - what would be the best sex to get???

thanks! :huh:
 
They are fine living together but they aren't 'compatable' in breeding terms. Completely different genus.
I'd aim for females personally, if I were to mix. As it is I don't. I only keep the Trichogaster trichopterus species.
Oh and the Trichopsis pumila, but not in the same tanks as each other.
Hugs,
P.
 
Dwarfs are relatively peaceful so you can keep an all-male group or an all-female group without problems as long as you don't overcrowd - and if you go for a mixed group, there should be more females than males (ratio of 2 females to every male is good).

Having said that, opaline gouramies (trichogaster trichopterus) are an entirely different matter. Both males and females will bully other gouramies. Though males are worse, a single female can be almost as bad.

As dwarfs only reach a third of the size of an opaline, it would not be a good idea to keep a single opaline with dwarf gouramies. She'll spend all her time harassing them.

As your tank is about 45 gallons, you could consider getting another couple of female opalines (or any other color morph - blue, gold, platinum, cosby or lavender) and then also adding 2 male dwarfs. The other three-spots will occupy your current one and hopefuly distract each other from the smaller dwarfs.

Having said that, it's risky to add 2 more three-spots as they have to both be female and you must make sure they are the same size as the one you have. If not, one will end up dominating the rest and you'll have other problems.

That's also the other issue here - 3 female three-spots is a good number but, idealy, if you don't want any single fish to be bullied, you need at least 4. The only way for you to do this would be to skip the dwarf idea altogether and get 3 more three-spots (you choose the color morph(s) but make sure they're all female). This last option is what I suggest you do.

To add to my attempt at persuading you to give up the dwarf idea :p , you should know that they often carry disease and are becoming increasingly fragile and prone to sudden death. Three-spots (opalines, blues, gold(en)s, platinums, cosbys and lavenders) are, on the other hand, the hardiest gourami and also come in several lovely colors. The only problem is size - be very careful not to over-stock the tank as each three-spot can get to 5-6". You should also allow for about 10 gallons per gourami. Non-gouramies are ok though.

So to some it all up, one opaline female and 2 dwarfs (whether male or female) is a risky combination.
4 three-spot (opaline) females are a better option and skip the dwarfs altogether. You can combine color morphs as long as they are all female and the same sort of size over-all.
3 female three-spots with 2 dwarf males also might work but there's no guarantee so I would do the above instead.
Three-spots get rather large so care should be taken to not over-stock. Don't add more than 5 gouramies of any kind to your 45 gallon tank and avoid male three-spots like the plague (for the moment at least).

It would help if you'd mention what other fish are in the tank and how many of each as you may find some of the above doesn't apply under certain circustances. Ask if you have questions of course. :)
 
:lol: Ahhh Sylvia methinks we are very much along the same wavelength in regards to gouramies.
Sadly it is true about the delicacy of the dwarfs now. A real shame. :sad:
Have to agree with almost everything you've said, although I have found that even a smaller female added to a group can be as much a trouble maker as those established. My poor Queenie lost her centre spot to a younger female recently, happily with no injuries involved. I think it was due to her being tired from spawning and was vunerable, but she's still underfish to the other.
Be very careful to ensure they are female if you don't want fry and higher aggression levels. Sometimes males can develop late and you can find yourself with allsorts of issues.
Hugs,
P.
 
Crap. Accidental double post. CLeverly done quite a while later! :look: :lol: Someone delete this moddies. *Wants her modmin access here now dammit* ;)
Hugs,
P.
 
ok - a new problem, its my own fault. Before i got your reply i went and bought 2 dwarf gouramis and my opaline female is bullying them like mad.... what can i do?? :no:
 
Choose between them - you'll either have to return the dwarfs or re-home your three-spot. Don't delay as you'll end up with dead dwarfs otherwise. Alternatively, if you have a 10 - 15 gallon around, the 2 dwarfs will be ok in there temporarily (though they'll need at least a 20 once settled down or they'll be a little more aggressive/territorial towards each other then). Also, in future, before adding new fish, re-arange the tank a little so the current residents are preoccupied with getting used to their surroundings as well - this temporarily distracts them from the new, stressed, arrivals.
 
if i added another opaline or blue gourami would it help keep them occupied??
 
Not realy. Adding 2 more FEMALE three-spots of the same size as your current opaline might help though - like I said in my original post. It's risky though and you are better off returning the dwarfs altogether immediately. Regardless, you have to do whatever it is you decide NOW - the dwarfs may get killed over night otherwise.
 
Awww Gavil you wally. :/ If you can't get them returned tonight I'd suggest either using a second tank for them or the opaline or put the opaline in a breeders net overnight. If you have neither option you are going to have to hope for the best really. Assuming all is well return the dwarfs or rehome the opaline. A tank of the size Sylvia mentioned is too small for opalines really. Infact anything but the croaking/sparkling gouramies are too big.
Hugs,
P.
 
im hoping for the best! :no: i shouldve checked first..... :/ i'll return the dwarfs asap.... :(
 
It's ok. We all make mistakes. First tank I had I lost two harlequins to not cycling, having been told that was ok. :X Not on here of course.
With any luck they'll be ok overnight and happy to be out tomorrow. Fingers crossed for you.
Hugs,
P.
 
yeah hopefully....

how about keeping them floating in a bag - opened of course - overnight??
 
No, I wouldn't recommend that at all. They're more likely to go mad with stress or try and jump out. I've had fish jump out and jump in! And should the opaline jump in.....well, enough said really. Leave them now. Must be after lights out by now anyway (Mine all go off around 7.30pm) so they should be pretty sleepy or dozing.
Hugs,
P.
 
yeah they are - ive just checked... all snoozing apart from the corys wizzing around.

in my tank i have 5 corys (bronze and albino), 5 zebra danios, 5 glowlight tetras, 4 neon tetras, 4 sailfin mollies and the opaline gourami.

ive got a 180 litre (48 gallon) tank - so i guess im pretty much at my limit anyway? if there is room for 1 or 2 more - what would you suggest??

you seem to know what youre talking about!
 

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