never seen black plakats before

[rollntider]

http/www.bettasandmore.com/cgi-bin/aucti...em=261096393229

are the females infertile also?

 

[wuvmybetta]

http/www.bettasandmore.com/cgi-bin/aucti...em=261096393229

are the females infertile also?

I would imagine so. I can have the answer for you in just a few but I'm willing to bet money that they are.

 

[rollntider]

i would imagine they are also, but its pretty wierd that black would be infertile.

 

[f250fisherman]

I think it will not be long..and some breeders/sellers will price their stock clear out of business. Some are very proud of their fish.

 

[wuvmybetta]

My knowledge on blacks is severely limited. They confuse me honestly but a friend of mine is really,really into them. I asked if the auction pair could be expected to be infertile and here is his reply...

It is hard to say. There are 3 black pigments. The strongest and the one that carries into the fins is melano and the females are infertile. The second is black lace but the pigment does not carry into the fins hence the name but the females are fertile. The thrid type black is derived from black marble. It is the blackest on the body but while the females are fertile they do not breed true so you may never see another one.

 

[jacblades]

i think jim sonnier recently did a spawn with a melano female.

 

[noelberg]

$66?! Didn't realize they were that rare! Saw 2 at my lfs for $10 apiece a couple months ago. One was there for about 3 weeks (guess rare bettas don't mean anything to people in my cheap-wad town). *Kicking self for not buying black betta*

 

[cation]

Julie got a black male plakat at the betta show - I think she got him for $20-something. He's Best in class, I believe. Maybe one day...


Here's a lady doing research on female melano infertility - she has this idea about why...

"A portion of a post by Rosalyn Upson on the Yahoo BetterBettas board may shed a little light on this:

"What I have been doing is growing the chromataophores in tissue culture as part of a university project I'm involved in.
The melanophores from melanos grow very differently from that seen in black lace and wild type. They pile up and are very sticky, which is why they produce such a dense black.
If you look at a melano closely, they have a lot of what I call "polka dots" throughout their fins that that make them look so dark. These are "balls" of melanophores. Preliminary studies have shown that these melanophores have extra adhesion protein/proteins.
My hypothesis is that this protein is also responsible for female infertility (how I don't know, but I have some thoughts, too lengthy to describe here). If this is the case, then getting fertile female melanos is not possible."

 

[juliethegr8t]

Yes, I got a stunning solid black plakat. He's pretty darned coal black too. I plan on spawning him, too. Perhaps with a copper, that could be one cool cross. And cation, you might get something similiar to the coppers you wanted so bad! Here he is.

 

[rollntider]

nice looking fella you have there.....I want one LOL..... (I think I have enough buddies for now )

 

[shrks1fan]

Julie got a black male plakat at the betta show - I think she got him for $20-something. He's Best in class, I believe. Maybe one day...


Here's a lady doing research on female melano infertility - she has this idea about why...

"A portion of a post by Rosalyn Upson on the Yahoo BetterBettas board may shed a little light on this:

"What I have been doing is growing the chromataophores in tissue culture as part of a university project I'm involved in.
The melanophores from melanos grow very differently from that seen in black lace and wild type. They pile up and are very sticky, which is why they produce such a dense black.
If you look at a melano closely, they have a lot of what I call "polka dots" throughout their fins that that make them look so dark. These are "balls" of melanophores. Preliminary studies have shown that these melanophores have extra adhesion protein/proteins.
My hypothesis is that this protein is also responsible for female infertility (how I don't know, but I have some thoughts, too lengthy to describe here). If this is the case, then getting fertile female melanos is not possible."

This does seem to be the thought that the top Betta Breeders have, especially the ones with a science background, that what makes them true black is what is causing the infertility in the females. This discussion came up on the CBS boards a while back with Phil Lafferty, Mark Ibarra and Dennis Lee mainly holding up the conversation, all have worked with the blacks. I would imagine this follows through with Plakats or it would just be easy to breed a longfin male to a female plakat and taDa, black babies, haha...but it hasn't been done.

Julie...if you can find a steel female, that seems to be the best color to breed with a true black male to have a chance at more clean blacks, that was also the consesus of the above breeders. Although copper has also been used with blacks by other members of my group, so that may give you some very nice fish. Good luck, let us know what you do, you should definetly get that guy in the spawn tank though.

Linda

 

[GuppyDude]

whoa! 66 bux im pretty sure shes gunna b infertile.

by the way, is bidafish that new aqua auction u were gunna set up rolln?

 

[rollntider]

whoa! 66 bux im pretty sure shes gunna b infertile.

by the way, is bidafish that new aqua auction u were gunna set up rolln?

I believe it is a male, and it is set up