Never had ich!

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How common is ich, and will it go if untreated?

I've kept fish for about 18 months now, and have never noticed any of my fish with ich, and I have a lot of fish. I know this is a good thing, but everyone else seems to have it. Is it possible that I've had it, not noticed and it's just gone naturally or am I just lucky :p.

I've had no unexplained deaths on a alarge scale, just the odd new introduction and that hasn't happened for quite some time, and I know what tom look for (sort of).
 
Almost all tank has an ICH parasite on it. The reason why fish get it is because their immune system is not functioning at it's full capacity due to a lot of reasons like stress, harassment from other tankmates, and bad water condition. You should be happy that your fish haven't seen ICH however ICH isn't that hard to treat, but if you ever have it don't leave it untreated or you'll lost a lot of your fish....Just keep your water parameters good and your fish happy and you'll never have any problems...
 
you can't miss ich.
One day, you can notice a few white spots on one fish, the next, that fish is covered in small grainy white dots. Every day, more and more dots appear, spreading all over the fish.

I have no clue if it goes away by itself, but I sure now Nox-Ich got rid of it in 4 days
 
I copied and pasted this out of my reply in the 'fish myths' thread that has been running for the last few weeks: But the point is that not every tank has ich in it -- that is nonsense -- it is completely not supported by the scientific facts. Crooskter, I have never had ich, either.

And, I've got a myth that I know everyone has heard:

There is ich in every fish tank

"What utter rubbish" noted Dr. Peter Burgess in Nov 2001's Practical Fishkeeping He studied Ichthyophthirius multifiliis for his Ph.D. thesis topic. Many fish from dealer's tanks are carriers, and if the fish is only lightly infected, the whitespots may not be visible or are only present on the gills of the fish -- not visible from the outside.

The neverending ich myths come about if you do not treat ich to the fullest -- through several lifecycles and with sufficient medications. It is tough since you know the fish aren't happy swimming around in the medications, and you haven't seen whitespots for like 5 days -- but you must keep medicating! That is the only way to completely eliminate it, and then you can put the neverending ich to bed for good. This is especially pertinant since there is at least one commerical medication that claims that ich is gone in 24 hours after adding the medication. This is just plain wrong -- ich has several life cycles and is only vulnerable to medication in one of those stages. Virtually all of the medications lose all of their potency after 24 hours of adding them, so you have to keep redosing so that effective medications are available and all the Ich has a chance to be exposed.

And, as if often noted, a fish may be a carrier for a long period of time (with just one or two protozoa living in the gills) and not break out until stressed. Also, lots of us add a new fish here or there which, if they are also carriers, may push the tank over a critical limit. Makes a good case for quarantining, eh? Two-weeks is not really enough time for ich to go through enough lifecycles so, it is unlikely to know for sure if your newly-bought fish is a carrier or not, for at least a month.

It is important to note that Ich is an organism -- yes, fish can become more suspectible and show more symptoms when stressed, by cooler temperatures, for example. But, if there is no I. multifiliis in the tank, your fish will not get Ich. An othewise healthy carrier host that is stressed may spread it to your other fish, but if there is no Ich in the first place, it is exactly the same problem as when your mother told you if you didn't wear your coat in the winter, you would get a cold. Not wearing a coat can weaken your immune system, making you more susceptible to the cold germs your office-mate is sneezing out, but the act of not wearing a coat alone will not make you sick. Same with ich and stress. Stresses will make the fish more susceptible, but the stresses themselves cannot cause the ich organism to spotaneously appear.

There is no dormant stage, at least that has been found yet, and ich cannot survive if it gets dried out. The dormant ich myth may have came about because of a similar marine ciliate parasite called Cryptocaryon irritans, sometimes called "Ich's marine counterpart." Crypto can remain dormant for up to 30 days, especially at lower temperatures.

The good news is that if a fish survives an ich outbreak, you may notice that it does not seen to be as affected if you have a second outbreak. There is research going on right now looking for an ich vaccine.
 
I have also never dealt with ich, but I dread the day that I will have to. Someone told me it is inevitable.

However, I will keep doing what I am doing :D
 
Yeah, what they said! I didn't have ich (and neither did my fish!) for about 3 years, and (stupidly) believed it to be nonsense and something that everyone else was doing wrongly. Then I introduced some fish (no quarantining) and lost about half of my fish. D'oh! Still - live and learn, now I'm planning on getting a quarantine tank (just as soon as my girlfriend's hamster dies - he lives on the shelf under my fish tank, where I will put my quarantine tank).

yvez9 is absolutely right to say that you can't miss it. I'd suggest having some ich medicine hanging around just in case, because although quarantining etc will drastically reduce your chances of getting it, the liklihood is that it will happen eventually, and it's nice to know that you treated it as soon as you could.
 
having medecine on hand for common diseases is always good.

One of my bettas got sick on december 31st and I had no medication for him. All I needed was Melafix but stores were closed for 2 days. He died before I could get to the store :(

So now I learned my lesson and have lots of Melafix on hand!
 
a fish may be a carrier for a long period of time (with just one or two protozoa living in the gills) and not break out until stressed.

As I've posted before in reply to these so-called myth-busters. A fish with ich can be asymptomatic (as is stated in one of these articles that aims to dispel the myth) and can carry the organism for extended periods of time. Thus it's very easy to say "my fish don't have/carry ich", but I guarantee that between birth, distributor tanks, shipping and LFS tanks, your fish have come into contact with ich carriers, and thus carry the ich organism themselves.
 
My gourami has had it for 2 weeks. I am on My 3rd medicine. Ich is the scourge of the home aquarium
 
Def, yes a fish may be a carrier, but then two sentences later I tell you that this is why you should quarantine. If your newly-bought fish has not shown symptoms in four weeks in quaratine, there is a very good chance it is healthy. Ok, not 100% (but what in life is?), but extremly unlikely that the fish is a carrier. Again, ich is an organism that has a very rigid lifecycle. If there are one or two in the gills of a fish, in a few days there will be 100's or 1000's of ich organisms in the tank. Not all will find hosts, but enough will that symtoms will become much more noticable -- including scratching and flashing and the obvious white spots.

Ich cannot just sit dormant in a gill for months on end, that is not the nature of the beast. And this is the best reason for quarantining. Again, it is not 100%, but quarantining will give you the greatest odds of keeping ich out of your main or show tank.
 

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