Need Help - Mollies Keep Dying

LivelyInTheDeep

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I'm not exactly new to the hobby, but I am new to mollies, and something just keeps going wrong. I have a large 20 gallon tank that is partially planted. Currently, there is a small cory catfish and a zebra nerite snail inside. It's been cycled for well over 3 months (the catfish was from a previous tank, moved due to agression) my plan was to slowly add mollies, 2 by 2, after quarantining them for 2 weeks in a smaller tank. I bought 2 dalmation mollies, and they did just fine in the quarantine tank. But I moved them to the 20 gallon, and 1 of them died a few days later. I did a water test and everything was normal, so I chalked it up to that particular fish just passing away (?) But, this morning, my other one died as well!! They were both active and healthy when I last checked but how they're both dead :( I dont know what I'm doing wrong, could someone please help me out?

Here are the water parameters:
GH: 10
KH:10
Ph: 8.0
NO2: 0
NO3: 0
Temp: 80 (farenheit)
The only thing I can think of is that the water is too soft??? But how do I fix that ? :(
If someone could help me out, I'd appreciate it
 
You didn't notice missing scales or anything? The water is softer then recommended but if the fish were store bought one would think they wouldn't have died so quickly. Someone on here will know, it may just take a while for them to get to this post! You can buy commercial water hardeners but they can be risky. Fluctuating pH is for harmful to fish.

Edit: Perhaps @AdoraBelle Dearheart, can give you a better answer.
 
You didn't notice missing scales or anything? The water is softer then recommended but if the fish were store bought one would think they wouldn't have died so quickly. Someone on here will know, it may just take a while for them to get to this post! You can buy commercial water hardeners but they can be risky. Fluctuating pH is for harmful to fish.
No missing scales :( they went from swimming around one day to just laying in the gravel, dead. No blood, or signs of fighting, so in very puzzled about what happened. I might get my water tested at the pet store, just for a second opinion, but I'm not sure what to do :(
 
No missing scales :( they went from swimming around one day to just laying in the gravel, dead. No blood, or signs of fighting, so in very puzzled about what happened. I might get my water tested at the pet store, just for a second opinion, but I'm not sure what to do :(
Weird, I'm way out of my league here, sorry. The only thing you can do is wait for someone else to reply. @Crispii and @ClownLurch are on and they are great sources of info. They can probably help you!
 
The water hardness is a problem for the mollies in the longer term, they really need it to be harder, but I don't think it would lead to sudden deaths like that so quickly. Hard water fish in soft water gradually suffer from the lower calcium levels since they've evolved to excrete the excess calcium normally in their waters, and there isn't enough calcium in the softer water to replace the levels they've lost; while soft water fish who evolved to retain whatever calcium they find in their natural soft water, end up retaining too much calcium when in hard water... leading to a build up of minerals internally like in their kidneys, leading to a shorter lifespan. I only learned about this recently myself after keeping otocinclus, a soft water fish, in my hard water for a year :( It isn't something enough places talk about when talking about suitable fish and compatibility.

So hardness is something you're going to need to explore, especially since you want the mollies in with a catfish. What species of cory is it? Some species can tolerate harder water than others. But the hard water thing is more of a chronic condition affecting the lifespan of a fish, not something that kills them in two weeks, and you'd likely see signs of the stress before they passed.

So I'd look for other suspects. When did you take that water test and get those results? Is the tank heavily planted? Is it possible that adding them to the new tank caused an ammonia spike that you didn't catch, and the filter and/or live plants took up the excess ammonia before you tested it? That's unlikely with only two fish in that size tank, but it's still a possibility.

Is it possible that something contaminated the tank? An air freshener sprayed in the room, handcream or perfume/cologne on hands that went into the tank, glass cleaner used on the outer glass? Always eliminate a contaminant when you have sudden deaths, especially with more than one fish.

It's also a sad fact that most livebearers are mass produced in fish farms abroad, and have all kinds of health issues as a result. Those farmed fish are often carrying both round and flat worms (I'm treating for both right now) and are genetically weak as a result of decades of poor breeding. It's very possible to have healthy looking fish from the stores that have genetic weaknesses or are carrying disease, then go through shipping to the store, exposed to more disease and stress, then bought and quarantined, then moved to a new tank, and they up and die from whatever underlying problems they have.

I went through a similar pattern with guppies when I started. Bought three, all died within days. Another trio, one died within 24 hours, one within a month, last lasted a few months. Water parameters always tested great, plenty of water changes, nice healthy diet. No one could help me figure out what I was doing wrong, and I was sure I must have. I was told about how weak livebearers are, but I was convinced it must be something I was doing, I almost gave up the hobby several times. Then some survived and bred, and the ones bred in my own tanks were stronger. I've also decided to medicate as a matter of course during quarantine for livebearers, since worms can stay hidden for months, and treating display tanks is a nightmare.

Sorry for long essay, I'm not good at concise. TL,DR: Check your water test results and when you took them (and what kit did you use? Dip strips aren't very accurate), check for contamination, check filter etc, and if all else fails, you might be the victim of poor fish producing practices.
 
The water hardness is a problem for the mollies in the longer term, they really need it to be harder, but I don't think it would lead to sudden deaths like that so quickly. Hard water fish in soft water gradually suffer from the lower calcium levels since they've evolved to excrete the excess calcium normally in their waters, and there isn't enough calcium in the softer water to replace the levels they've lost; while soft water fish who evolved to retain whatever calcium they find in their natural soft water, end up retaining too much calcium when in hard water... leading to a build up of minerals internally like in their kidneys, leading to a shorter lifespan. I only learned about this recently myself after keeping otocinclus, a soft water fish, in my hard water for a year :( It isn't something enough places talk about when talking about suitable fish and compatibility.

So hardness is something you're going to need to explore, especially since you want the mollies in with a catfish. What species of cory is it? Some species can tolerate harder water than others. But the hard water thing is more of a chronic condition affecting the lifespan of a fish, not something that kills them in two weeks, and you'd likely see signs of the stress before they passed.

So I'd look for other suspects. When did you take that water test and get those results? Is the tank heavily planted? Is it possible that adding them to the new tank caused an ammonia spike that you didn't catch, and the filter and/or live plants took up the excess ammonia before you tested it? That's unlikely with only two fish in that size tank, but it's still a possibility.

Is it possible that something contaminated the tank? An air freshener sprayed in the room, handcream or perfume/cologne on hands that went into the tank, glass cleaner used on the outer glass? Always eliminate a contaminant when you have sudden deaths, especially with more than one fish.

It's also a sad fact that most livebearers are mass produced in fish farms abroad, and have all kinds of health issues as a result. Those farmed fish are often carrying both round and flat worms (I'm treating for both right now) and are genetically weak as a result of decades of poor breeding. It's very possible to have healthy looking fish from the stores that have genetic weaknesses or are carrying disease, then go through shipping to the store, exposed to more disease and stress, then bought and quarantined, then moved to a new tank, and they up and die from whatever underlying problems they have.

I went through a similar pattern with guppies when I started. Bought three, all died within days. Another trio, one died within 24 hours, one within a month, last lasted a few months. Water parameters always tested great, plenty of water changes, nice healthy diet. No one could help me figure out what I was doing wrong, and I was sure I must have. I was told about how weak livebearers are, but I was convinced it must be something I was doing, I almost gave up the hobby several times. Then some survived and bred, and the ones bred in my own tanks were stronger. I've also decided to medicate as a matter of course during quarantine for livebearers, since worms can stay hidden for months, and treating display tanks is a nightmare.

Sorry for long essay, I'm not good at concise. TL,DR: Check your water test results and when you took them (and what kit did you use? Dip strips aren't very accurate), check for contamination, check filter etc, and if all else fails, you might be the victim of poor fish producing practices.
Thanks ;)
 
I agree with other members that while the GH is a bit low for mollies, it is not likely to have caused their deaths this quickly. And are we correct to assume that 10 is 10 dGH, and not 10 ppm? The latter would be a very different thing.

Second observation is ammonia, which is not given. Mollies are highly susceptible to ammonia poisoning--all fish are, but mollies are more sensitive. With live plants ammonia should not be present as an issue, but one never knows.

Third observation is that a 20g tank is not sufficient space for mollies. I know they are small now (presumably), but they should grow to 3 inches (males) and 5 inches (some report 6 inches) for females. So down the road, this tank is insufficient space. And being largely herbivorous, they eat more than carnivores need, so that is more waste. Water changes need to be substantial, 60-70% once a week should be OK, all else being equal.

The above is for future reference, as again these issues are not at all likely to cause such rapid death.
 
The water hardness is a problem for the mollies in the longer term, they really need it to be harder, but I don't think it would lead to sudden deaths like that so quickly. Hard water fish in soft water gradually suffer from the lower calcium levels since they've evolved to excrete the excess calcium normally in their waters, and there isn't enough calcium in the softer water to replace the levels they've lost; while soft water fish who evolved to retain whatever calcium they find in their natural soft water, end up retaining too much calcium when in hard water... leading to a build up of minerals internally like in their kidneys, leading to a shorter lifespan. I only learned about this recently myself after keeping otocinclus, a soft water fish, in my hard water for a year :( It isn't something enough places talk about when talking about suitable fish and compatibility.

So hardness is something you're going to need to explore, especially since you want the mollies in with a catfish. What species of cory is it? Some species can tolerate harder water than others. But the hard water thing is more of a chronic condition affecting the lifespan of a fish, not something that kills them in two weeks, and you'd likely see signs of the stress before they passed.

So I'd look for other suspects. When did you take that water test and get those results? Is the tank heavily planted? Is it possible that adding them to the new tank caused an ammonia spike that you didn't catch, and the filter and/or live plants took up the excess ammonia before you tested it? That's unlikely with only two fish in that size tank, but it's still a possibility.

Is it possible that something contaminated the tank? An air freshener sprayed in the room, handcream or perfume/cologne on hands that went into the tank, glass cleaner used on the outer glass? Always eliminate a contaminant when you have sudden deaths, especially with more than one fish.

It's also a sad fact that most livebearers are mass produced in fish farms abroad, and have all kinds of health issues as a result. Those farmed fish are often carrying both round and flat worms (I'm treating for both right now) and are genetically weak as a result of decades of poor breeding. It's very possible to have healthy looking fish from the stores that have genetic weaknesses or are carrying disease, then go through shipping to the store, exposed to more disease and stress, then bought and quarantined, then moved to a new tank, and they up and die from whatever underlying problems they have.

I went through a similar pattern with guppies when I started. Bought three, all died within days. Another trio, one died within 24 hours, one within a month, last lasted a few months. Water parameters always tested great, plenty of water changes, nice healthy diet. No one could help me figure out what I was doing wrong, and I was sure I must have. I was told about how weak livebearers are, but I was convinced it must be something I was doing, I almost gave up the hobby several times. Then some survived and bred, and the ones bred in my own tanks were stronger. I've also decided to medicate as a matter of course during quarantine for livebearers, since worms can stay hidden for months, and treating display tanks is a nightmare.

Sorry for long essay, I'm not good at concise. TL,DR: Check your water test results and when you took them (and what kit did you use? Dip strips aren't very accurate), check for contamination, check filter etc, and if all else fails, you might be the victim of poor fish producing practices.
Thank you for your response :D I did use a dip test for the water testing, and I tested a few times through the cycle, once before adding the fish, and once after. Then I checked after their passing. I dont think anything contaminated the tank, but maybe a small amount of window cleaner got in when I was washing the sides? I'm not sure. The catfish has never shown any signs of distress, and I think it's just a small cory ?¿ but I too, have suffered the loss of guppies. I'm going to monitor the water and do a water change this week, and see what happens. I really like mollies, so I hope I can continue with them. but if not I can always switch to something else :( I have 2 more in the quarantine tank (purchased before the deaths)but I'll keep them in there for a few extra weeks I think, just to see. Thank you for the advice
 
Weird, I'm way out of my league here, sorry. The only thing you can do is wait for someone else to reply. @Crispii and @ClownLurch are on and they are great sources of info. They can probably help you!
Not me I’m afraid. There’s posters on here have furry pets that are more likely to be able to help. I’ve a very shallow knowledge of a very small range of fish related stuff. They were dying on me in the 70s, then again in the 90s and again last week.
Sorry but I’m a novice.
 

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