My Lfs, Selling Fighting Fish In Jars

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My Lfs at the front counter sells mexican fighting fish/bettas in clear plastic jars, probably the size of half a coke can, i keep saying to the guy at the counter evertime im there, that cant be good for them??? he always says nah mate there fine. How are they surviving, they are the same fish an have been for about 6 months, i always look to see if they are still alive.

Can you keep these fish in small tanks without filters?

Are these fish really that strong?
 
it's an incredibly bad idea to do so, sadly a lot of people treat fighters in this way. :/
 
:nod: why do you think so many betta fans have shed loads of them!!!

really it's not a case of weather they can survive in these conditions, but weather it's fair to make them do so. if you were kept in a tiny cupboard all your life with barely room to turn around, there was no ventilation so the air was stale and stagnant and just once every couple of days someone would open the door to let new air in (these sorts of tanks generally get a 100% water change every couple of days). Yeah given decent food you would be able to survive for some time in this state...... but would it be a nice life?! :/
 
oh this is sad, and this beautiful fish deserves so much better, my lfs keeps them in 6 inch tanks ( maybe a teeny bit bigger) i have never seen a happy one in there, although the ones i have bought have been full of life after a few days in a new home, thing is are they used to it? and does it panic them when they are taken home and given a new larger tank??im not sure about this but the largest i have kept a fighting fish in is a 30L biorb and he lived very happily in there, sadley he died a little over a week ago, im in no rush to replace him, but they are fish that withstand a heck of a lot in the way of poor conditions,sadley :(

shelagh xxx
ps please dont go and buy them all, as then the lfs would just get more in
 
Sad thing is its common practice ... Use to be the same for goldfish at one time.

The worse thing is people when buying them don't offer them much more then a jar.
 
Bettas are labyrinth fish which means they have an organ to allow them to extract oxygen from the air. So they are able to survive in much more cramped conditions than most fish because they do not need such a large water surface area for enough oxygen to sustain them to enter the water. However bettas are carnivores that require a diet rich in protein. This sort of feeding means they create a lot of ammonia. In my opinion, being kept in tiny containers with the levels of ammonia spiking to alarming levels and then suddenly dropping over periods of a week or so do them permanent damage.

My usual LFS keeps bettas in 2 litre (1/2 gallon) containers without filtration. It's still smaller than they really need but they are much better fed and kept much cleaner (water changes every second day) than the vast majority of pet store bettas. All of the bettas I have bought from there have been well adjusted, taken to larger tanks well and been easy to feed, handle etc. Another LFS I sometimes go to abuses its bettas. They are kept in containers about one and a half times their length in diameter, that contain so little water a veiltail cannot flare without its fins being out of the water. It's disgusting.

Both bettas I have rescued from that shop have been severely traumatised. After three months I have managed to rehabilitate the first. It was not easy. He is still terrified of sudden movements, scared of other bettas a lot of the time, cannot be hand-tamed (most of my bettas will accept my touch without flinching) and I doubt that I could get him to spawn. I haven't attempted because I don't have a suitable female and now that he's settled I doubt he would cope with the upheaval. The other rescue betta I have had for only a few days. He has severe swim bladder issues (probably caused by being unable to rise up or down) chews his fins, refuses food and panics whenever I walk past his tank.

Excuse my soapboxing but the whole issue of betta abuse really irritates me. No matter how many fortunes I spend rehabilitating bettas, all I would be doing is supporting the cruel trade. Because they CAN survive in these conditions, nobody ever questions whether it's right to expect them to survive in these conditions. Just because something CAN be done doesn't mean it SHOULD be done. Bettas are not toys to be given to children who cannot care for them, or ornaments to sit on some fat suit's desk and wither into oblivion. They are living creatures and they deserve a stimulating and interesting simulation of their natural habitat or another suitably occupying tank.
 
My Lfs at the front counter sells mexican fighting fish/bettas

they sell free-wrestling ("lucha libre") champions? orale! :hyper:

sorry i just found it funny...and even more so that no one caught it!

with regards to how they're kept: since Mexican fighter fish will kill one another if put together in a tank, the LFS has no other option than keeping them apart. unless you are willing to pay $50 for one of them, then the store has no choice but to put them in something low-maintenance or they'd be losing money. this is what i dont think people look at when they begin to criticize stores, because i am sure none of those people would pay $50 for a betta just so that it will have a better, healthier place to stay at while its on the shelves at the LFS...

to my surprise though, the store with the best containers for bettas I have seen is WALMART! as horrible as some people think they are, they keep their bettas in containers twice the size of the regular LFS, with very tight fitting lids with nice slits on the top. i bought one of my guys from there once, and the lid was so tight that i just had it on my car seat while driving and not even a drop spilled!

why do i need to go into so much detail? because every time bettas come up, all that people do is complain about the stores! :angry:
 

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