Morish Idol Or Not?

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boshank23

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i am debating if its feasable to get a morish idol, after christmas my 565 litre reef tank will be ready for fish.
i have heard some horror stories and some good stories, just wondered if anyone has any advice?

i would also like some tangs, i know there is a possibility of the idol and tangs being incompatible, would there be an issue if i put the tangs in first and make the idol the last fish i add?
 
Very very low mortality rate - defo not an aquarium fish IMO
 
Have you ever had a saltwater tank before? That a vary important question. Even if your an expert Keeping a Moorish Idol is near impossible. Niow lets say by some merical it stad alive its even more impossible to keep it alive with other fish because it wont eat do to stress.


So in my opinion its not even worth trying.
 
Moorish Idols are absolutely impractical for any but the most advanced of fishkeepers. Even many well-respected public aquariums have difficulty keeping them alive. If you don't know if you know enough to keep one, quite honestly, you don't.

I've worked with fish for many years, although admittedly saltwater only in the two LFS's I've worked at, and when I finally set up my own saltwater tank I wouldn't even CONSIDER a Moorish Idol. (And I'm the person largely responsible for my current store having the best, healthiest, thriving sea horse tank of any store in the area.)

If you like the general look of the fish, please consider a Heniochus diphreutes, or the "schooling bannerfish". While they are butterflies, which makes them moderately difficult (although once they settle in and accept food they usually thrive), they're sturdy as tanks compared to the actual Moorish Idol. But be SURE you get the diphreutes, not the very similar looking H. acuminatus. Acuminatus is a notorious coral polyp picker, and can do some real damage in a reef tank, while diphreutes is one of the very few generally reef-safe butterflies and tend to leave corals alone. Order the fish from a source you TRUST. Diphreutes do also prefer to be kept in multiples, as the name implies, and a small school of 2-3 will make them happier than being singles.

Here's a good photo (not mine, just from Google) of the "schooling bannerfish".
Heniochus_diphreutes.jpg
 
thanks for the input on those, i have a 3ft reef which has been stocked and running for 8 months so i do have some exp with marines. by no means enough by the sounds of it to keep the idols.

the banner fish were also an idea but i don't think a substitute for the idols. it was just the conflicting info i received on them that made me think i may be able to keep them, i am quite against wild caught fish and would hate to think i had transported a fish to its death so i shan't bother.

thanks again.
 
thanks for the input on those, i have a 3ft reef which has been stocked and running for 8 months so i do have some exp with marines. by no means enough by the sounds of it to keep the idols.

the banner fish were also an idea but i don't think a substitute for the idols. it was just the conflicting info i received on them that made me think i may be able to keep them, i am quite against wild caught fish and would hate to think i had transported a fish to its death so i shan't bother.

thanks again.
No problem. If wild-caught fish bother you, then definately skip the Moorish. I'm not aware they've ever reproduced in captivity, and certainly not successfully enough (if they have at all) to be commercially viable. They have a long larval stage (like most of the saltwater angels and butterflies) where they function a part of the ocean's zooplankton that make them extremely difficult to breed. Even the "common" "easy" species like the Coral Beauty and the Flame Angel are JUST in the past few years being successfully reared for the market (most are still wild caught). Good luck with your tank!
 
Most every saltwater fish on the market is wild caught. Even the fish that have been bred in captivity are still being wild caught as well. I'd also give a no to the idol for the above reasons.
 
I actually have a friend that works in one of my LFS's that has a large SW tank and has managed to keep a Moorish Idol for 7 years now successfully and still going fine. I'm almost certain it'd be a wild caught one however this is in Australia (QLD) and I'm not too sure if importing might be different - less lengthy trip perhaps? :/

Personally I've never kept one but I still wouldn't recommend keeping it as these lads seem to be against it. :D
 
I wouldn't suggest it unless you have a tank around 200 gallons, established for quite sometime, and you really know what your doing. I've seen a few people keep them alive, one person that's successfully had two already, but you may not be as fortunate. I'd love to try one myself, but I wouldn't dedicate a tank just to it's needs like that. If you were to get one, it probably wouldn't go great with your tangs, and cut all polyps, sponges, and most soft corals out the picture if you did.


While getting more people into them would be great and possibly make us able to understand them better, most people just shouldn't even think of it. The "could happens" are just too great for most, and unless you understand your way around this hobby excellently, dedicate hours to this one fish, and acclimate it well..you probably won't succeed. You'd probably see a lot of people going out and buying them if they didn't need such a huge tank..but likely most would die. Like they say with these type of fish, 1 out of every 100 brought in captivity may live. Most don't even show any signs of disease, etc. that's the thing...they just die a few days after purchase. We just don't understand them that much for most to be successful. Even those that do have one for a long period of time are probably just guessing what they need..never really fully knowing if they're missing something or not.



Personally, would I try it if I had nothing else to do? Probably. But honestly, I couldn't dedicate time from my other fish, etc. to care for just one. The cost and patience to maintain it would be too much at this moment.
 
is it litterally just the feeding habbits that make them hard to care for? or is it the fact we don't know alot about them? i would rather have a species tank and know i am looking after 1 type of fish the best i can, rather than have community tank and have diffrent feeding habbits for 10 diffrent fish.

Most every saltwater fish on the market is wild caught. Even the fish that have been bred in captivity are still being wild caught as well. I'd also give a no to the idol for the above reasons.


i very nearly sold all of my marine gear when i found out that a vast majority of marine fish were wild caught, i was in a small marine shop and they had plastered all over their tanks "WILD CAUGHT" i just walked straight out.

its not something you tend to take into consideration when you decide to go marine, the books i read certainly didn't go into detail and say that most fish are wild caught.

i wan't to make the right decission by getting fish i know that i will be able to make thrive in my tank, if it means not having the fish i wan't then i'll just have to lump it.
 
is it litterally just the feeding habbits that make them hard to care for? or is it the fact we don't know alot about them? i would rather have a species tank and know i am looking after 1 type of fish the best i can, rather than have community tank and have diffrent feeding habbits for 10 diffrent fish.

TBH, they are just pigs to get to eat, I would say it is a hit or miss but the chances aint that high

Generally they (from what I have read & been told by owners of Idols) they will get on with most other fish, also just remember they are concidered NON-Reef safe
 
i had heard the only coral they wont eat is mushers. well i have a few months to read up and decide if i wanna go down that route :crazy:

thanks for the info.
 
They will also munch on SPS & LPS
 

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