Male Dwarf Gourami On Side

[Daveptkd]

Just some daily water changes, good luck.

Thank you both for your assistance. I will change water daily until Friday (off to Boston for a week, so up to my better half to feed etc). Hopefully everything will be ok whilst i am away, in all tanks!

thanks again - i'll update you!

Dave

hi - one last question - if he remains alive (like he still is!!), how ling does he stay in the dish?

thanks

 

[tttnjfttt]

I would change out the water about every 6 hours or so, just to avoid the build up of waste. If he is alive in the morning and you can get the meds, are you also gonna get a bigger container to treat him in?

 

[Daveptkd]

I would change out the water about every 6 hours or so, just to avoid the build up of waste. If he is alive in the morning and you can get the meds, are you also gonna get a bigger container to treat him in?

ok - i'll swap out his water before i go to bed (in about 5 mins!), but i am out for 10 hours for work tomorrow!!! I CAN get a hospital tank, at end of tomorrow.

 

[tttnjfttt]

Ok, give him clean water tomorrow morning before you go to work and hope for the best!

 

[Daveptkd]

Ok, give him clean water tomorrow morning before you go to work and hope for the best!

Hi,

He is now in a 27Litre hospital tank, with a fluval 1 plus (45 L) (that I had running in another tank already), heater, new gravel, some floating plant and a plastic bamboo ornament to hide in.

he's swimming around, but keeps "tipping over", should i med treat the hospital tank (anti-bacs?)?

thanks

Dave

 

[WILDER]

You could try a bacterial med, fingers croosed as once swim bladder has progressed there is no cure.

 

[tttnjfttt]

Yeah, i would definately try to medicate, especially since he has lived this long. You don't want to leave bacterial infections sit for too long, as they can progress reapidly.

 

[Daveptkd]

Yeah, i would definately try to medicate, especially since he has lived this long. You don't want to leave bacterial infections sit for too long, as they can progress reapidly.

Hi,

coming in from work tonight, I thought he was dead, motionless on bottom, i was going to net him up and he swam off

but he is just laying, almost on his side on the bottom!!

how long can he stay like this? obviously he won't eat

thanks

 

[WILDER]

A few days, even longer sometimes, but the chances are very slim now that he will make it, sorry.

 

[Daveptkd]

A few days, even longer sometimes, but the chances are very slim now that he will make it, sorry.

whole day now just face down in the gravel, nose first, but still going, this is PAINFUL to watch

 

[WILDER]

Get a jug add some tank water to it not much, then get another jug and add really cold water to it, and some ice cubes, put the fish in the tank water jug, then tip the very coldwater over the fish, sorry.

 

[Daveptkd]

Get a jug add some tank water to it not much, then get another jug and add really cold water to it, and some ice cubes, put the fish in the tank water jug, then tip the very coldwater over the fish, sorry.

I'm gonna get laughed at for this.....will he suffer?

 

[WILDER]

No if you get the water really cold it will be quick, just don't have to much tank water in the jug, as the aim is to shock him, but its quick when done right, he's already suffering, sorry i know how you feel had to do it myself.
This is written by steelhealr.
This is what I choose to do with my fish and my comments are only placed here as opinion. This is a heated topic. I choose based on my knowledge from my training:

Oil of cloves is a topical anethestic and was used in the past to treat toothaches. Lidocaine (like at the dentist's office is a topical anesthetic as well). When we operate on people we really want to achieve 2 things, analgesia and anesthesia, that is, relief of pain and unconsciousness. IMO, when a fish is immersed in oil of cloves, it is essentially 'topically anesthetized', paralyzed, but, I am NOT convinced that the fish is unconscious.....none of us will really know for sure. We don't know if the oil of cloves causes stinging to the mucus membranes, eyes, etc on initial contact nor if the fish is motionless, painless but aware.

Extreme cold is an anesthetic. When applied to skin, you can actually cut the skin and feel no pain. Cold also can cause rapid unconsciousness. In fact, hypothermia is reported to cause a state of euphoria and clouding of consciousness. Fish, at least most of the types that we keep (tropical), are extremely small and rapid immersion in extreme cold water, in my opinion, causes rapid pain relief and rapid unconsciousness. I have never seen any of my fish shows signs of what I consider suffering. They stop moving immediately and appear lifeless. Some have stated that since fish are ectothermic, this doesn't apply....perhaps in cold water fish I would agree.

I choose to euthanize my fish this way, rather than oil of cloves. One must either make an educated decision for themselves, or, choose what is currently accepted by the masses as what is humane.

Added: although I would never use blunt force to euthanize my fish, nor advocate it, one fact is for sure: death is instantaneous

SH

 

[Torrean]

I agree with steelhealr. The first and only euthanasia I had to perform I just put the fish in the freezer in an empty bag this is not the best way to kill a fish. Didn't know better. Now I would use blunt force to crush the head. If you can't stomach this then I would get water as cold as I possibly could. Then immerse the fish in the water as quickly as possible.

 

[Daveptkd]

I agree with steelhealr. The first and only euthanasia I had to perform I just put the fish in the freezer in an empty bag this is not the best way to kill a fish. Didn't know better. Now I would use blunt force to crush the head. If you can't stomach this then I would get water as cold as I possibly could. Then immerse the fish in the water as quickly as possible.

sorry not messaged sonner, i've had to travel to boston (there now).

I used the ice water method, he twitched for a second or two, and that was it.

thanks for all your advice

regards

Dave
RIP little blue fish