Just Want To Ask A Q?

[Daniel454]

Can i put 2 clown fish and a star fish in a 14Gallon tank

 

[Lynden]

Yes. The star fish would have to be chosen with caution. Research the different species.

 

[Daniel454]

Ok do you no what one we can put in so we can avoid and make our research easyer

 

[Musho3210]

not enough info

what clown and what starfish? I dont think any clown should be in anything smaller than a 20 gallon, but you could do it and people are successful in doing it, but i wouldnt.

 

[shibby]

percula or occerlaris clowns
as for the starfish im unsure on that one.
and musho i think they were asking for typesss that could work.

 

[Musho3210]

well if you want my honest opinion, its none except maybe a dwarf brittle star or something. If you REALLY want a clownfish you could as long as you get the smaller ones like false or true perculas.... But even that i would only suggest one of them.

 

[Lynden]

I dont think any clown should be in anything smaller than a 20 gallon, but you could do it and people are successful in doing it, but i wouldnt.

Yeah but you also think that no tang should be kept in less than 100 gallons. Even though there is no reason why they couldn't be. Only what you 'think'.

As for starfish, any of the Fromia should work, but an much better option would be the chocolate chip star, Protoreaster nodosus. These will need to be placed in a larger tank someday, as they grow fairly large, but slowly. Any starfish you choose will need to be fed at least a few times a week. Simply place the food in the starfish's path, and they will detect it and engulf it.

 

[Musho3210]

and by what i see....

 

[Lynden]

...and just what is that?

I see a diverse grouping of fishes. Some of which inhabit surge zones, and that are fast swimmers. Others that inhabit reef zones and are much slower swimmers. I also see those same slow swimming fish inhabit "small" tanks with absolutely no consequence. Lastly, I see that you tang police have no evidence whatsoever to back your claims.

Really I could claim that I "see" god damn fairies in the garden or a sea monster in the lagoon. I can choose to believe it if I want to. But I probably shouldn't be preaching my unfounded beliefs to an internet "community", amoung other reasons that I might sound a bit insane.

 

[Lynden]

Another thread hijacked... damn.

http/www.wetwebmedia.com/seastars.htm

 

[dwarfgourami]

Daniel, I just wanted to point out that keeping a saltwater tank is a BIG commitment. Not only do you have to set it up right, but it's then got to be maintained, with regular water changes and testing of water chemistry etc. You have to understand enough to make sure that the water you put in has the right degree of salinity (salt), you have to filter water through an RO unit, to make sure it has the right level of purity etc etc. This will make it more difficult and more expensive to run than a freshwater tank. To put it briefly, anyone setting up to run a salt water tank has to be prepared to do lots of research. After all, you are trying to recreate a small piece of the sea in your living room!
I don't want to put you off, because keeping marine tanks is obviously a VERY rewarding hobby, but it is rewarding only if you actually enjoy doing the work and research that goes with it. If your girlfriend (or yourself) is not that interested in how the thing works, but only thinks it would be cute, then I'd take her round the freshwater section of a good aquatics shop and see if anything there takes her fancy. But note that even a freshwater tank needs a certain amount of research. That's what makes fishkeeping so exciting, trying to understand where the fish you keep came from, what sort of conditions they need.

 

[andywg]

Here we go again with the Marine is really much harder than FW myth again.

I'll take the points one at a time:

Daniel, I just wanted to point out that keeping a saltwater tank is a BIG commitment. Not only do you have to set it up right, but it's then got to be maintained,

This is true, but then so is keeping absolutely any pet be it aquatic or otherwise.

with regular water changes and testing of water chemistry etc.

Nothing more than keepeing FW though.

[/quote] You have to understand enough to make sure that the water you put in has the right degree of salinity (salt)[/quote]

Using a refractometer or hydrometer is hardly rocket science.

you have to filter water through an RO unit, to make sure it has the right level of purity etc etc.

No you don't. For keeping a FO tank there really is no point in using RO water as fish have a far higher tolerence to silicates, phosphates and nitrates than inverts. Regular water changes will keep the tank in good shape with just dechlorinated tap water. remember, not all tanks have corals.

This will make it more difficult and more expensive to run than a freshwater tank.

The only greater expense will be that of buying salt for water changes, which will hardly break the bank on a small tank.

To put it briefly, anyone setting up to run a salt water tank has to be prepared to do lots of research. After all, you are trying to recreate a small piece of the sea in your living room!

Research is good, but for a simple FO none more so than for a FW is necessary, after all, with FW you are trying to recreate a piecde of a lake or river in your house.

I don't want to put you off, because keeping marine tanks is obviously a VERY rewarding hobby, but it is rewarding only if you actually enjoy doing the work and research that goes with it. If your girlfriend (or yourself) is not that interested in how the thing works, but only thinks it would be cute, then I'd take her round the freshwater section of a good aquatics shop and see if anything there takes her fancy.

Why? Because keeping a FW tank is so infinitely simpler than a marine one? Seriously, this is one of my real bug bears. I keep SPS corals in my larger reef and know for a fact I spend much less time on that than I have to on my FW tanks. Compare the work CFC puts into a number of his tanks, or what all the planted people do on their set ups and you will find that FW can be just as demanding as SW.

A FO tank is a piece of cake to setup. the only difference to a FW tank is that you put salt in the water. That is it. Not all tanks are SPS farms remember.

Let's be honest, most marine fish want similar conditions: an SG from 1.018 to 1.026, temp around 24 to 29 degrees C, pH 8.2-8.4. There is far more variety in FW fishes when one considers the soft waters of the Amazon and the hard Great Lakes in Africa.

But note that even a freshwater tank needs a certain amount of research. That's what makes fishkeeping so exciting, trying to understand where the fish you keep came from, what sort of conditions they need.

I would say that both require the same amount of research: the basics of the nitrogen cycle and how to do basic maintenance.

 

[dwarfgourami]

Andy, I was not trying to propagate any myth, just pointing out that keeping fish is a big commitment. Maybe I should have said keeping any fish, rather than keeping saltwater fish. I have read all the OPs threads and tbh I did get the impression that he is not aware of the longterm commitment of running a fish tank, but that his girlfriend wants her own Nemo. Note for instance the post where he said he did not wish to do any research on the clown fish. What seems very easy and self evident to you may be more than he had bargained for.

I do apologise if I have misjudged him, but it did seem worth while to point out that running a fish tank involves a certain amount of chemistry. And there seems to me to be some difference of degree here between salt and freshwater: though it is not what this forum recommends, it is possible to run a successful freshwater tank without any testing whatsoever, it's what lots of oldfashioned fishkeepers do and this may be what the OP has in mind.

 

[andywg]

though it is not what this forum recommends, it is possible to run a successful freshwater tank without any testing whatsoever, it's what lots of oldfashioned fishkeepers do and this may be what the OP has in mind.

And it is how I run my FW and my SW tanks. One does not need to constantly test tanks. I will only test if I think something is wrong.

Do tyou truly believe that one can run a FW tank without any research but purely for a cute look, but must do loads of research before considering SW? It seems somewhat naive to me, if that is so.

 

[Musho3210]

hobby test kits are surprisingly inaccurate and i find them to be either false hope/causes paranoia. I dont test my freshwater planted nor my saltwater reef nano anymore, i only test when there is something visibly/audiobally/smellingly/ etc wrong.

False tests caused my calcium to be very low causing me to dump huge amounts of calcium and kalkwasser (dripping in) in which crashed my tank and made me lose about 40 dollars worth of stuff, 40 isnt much but it was because i intervened immediately and i didnt have much to start with. And even with the so called "low calcium" my corals (hard ones) and fish and shrimp and snails and hermits etc were all very healthy, fully open, moving, eating etc.

But remember, not that this would happen to everyone....