Just Started A New Tank, Think I Added A Few Too Many Fish...what Shou

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Hello all,

While I've in the past maintained a tank together with a roommate, I recently decided to set up a tank of my own after a few years. I followed the following steps.

1. Bought a 20 gallon tank and set up the physical elements: gravel, water, etc. Added water conditioner, filter, etc. Let the tank sit for several days.

2. After around a week, I added aquatic plants. These came with a cargo of smal snails which seemed to do just fine in the water.

3. I know from experience zebrafish are hardy fish and good tank-starters, so I bought five of them.

4. Yesterday morning, I picked up a bunch of fish at the local independent aquarium place, this included:

7 Neons
6 Glowlights (immature, same size as the neons)
6 Tiger Barbs (immature, several around the same size as the neons)
3 Guppies
1 Pleco (around two inches long)
1 dwarf aquatic frog

5. There were a few problems with the existing tank setup. Mostly because the local place didn't have much in the way of bottom feeding and/or algae eating animals at the moment. My tank had started to develop a large algae growth choking one of the plants, so I wanted a few more fish for that purpose in the ecosystem. In addition, the Zebra Danios were attacking the three guppies, who seemed stunned and kept hanging out by the tank side and displaying to their reflections, so I thought I should pick up another few. So that evening I went to the local chain store and picked up three more guppies, three corys, a golden algae eater, a mystery snail, and a shrimp.

Anyway, having done some reading today, the tank load seems to be too large for a 20 gallon tank (around 40 living animals, not counting the little snails, which are quickly getting eaten), and I'm worried about nitrite buildup, though the tank is also full of plants which should lessen this to some degree. Most of the fish, with the exception of the Neons, the Zebras, and some of the Guppies, are not full-size, so the buildup isn't as bad as it sounds. I can take some tank shots if you guys want to see pictures.

I'm worried about losing half the fish within a couple weeks though. I'm guessing people will advise me to remove some of the fish and return them if at all possible. Which fish should I consider removing from the tank?
 
have you tried looking in beginner section, they have a pinned topic in there, there is a pinned topic about starting.

another thing i was going to say, about the fish, do you know what type your pleco is, because they produce alot of waste and if its a common pleco it will outgrow the tank pretty quickly.
i think you should take either the tetras or the 3 guppies and 3 danios.
 
I've read through the topic you mention...it seems the local fish shop has indeed steered me wrong in part here as well.

So, it sounds as though I should try regular water changes and planting even more aquatic plants (currently have four different sorts scattered about) in order to try and mitigate any spikes for the moment.

Here's another question. I have a friend who currently has a large, unheated tank partially filled with water (he meant to get Koi, but has never gotten around to it). To the best of my knowlege, the zebras, and possibly the algae eater, are the only things I could temporarily transfer there, right?
 
I see several things wrong and I am a newbie


one you have put WAYYYYY to many fish in your tank even if it was cycled guessing off the top of my head I would say about 35" of fish in a 20 gal tank and you included fish like tiger barbs which munch on neon's
 
Okay, so after a whole bunch of checking, around, I've decided I need to do the following.

1. Change 30% of the water tommorow as soon as I get home from work (hopefully my car will be out of the shop).

2. Jumpstart the cycling so as to protect the fish. Get ammonia-ammonium converting tablets, and some bacteria from the store, probably both from a kit as well as from the local fish store's filters, etc, just to be on the safe side. Also buy even more plants and place them.

3. The pet store will not take back any of the fish, so I'm going to have to buy another 20-gallon tank, set it up and immediately put fish in it. Which I realize is a big, big no-no, but I'm getting the idea my odds are actually a whole lot better for more of the fish to survive that way than if I keep them all in there together. Half-and half (say the zebras, tiger barbs, and corys in one, and the rest in the other), they probably have a fighting chance of survival. A guppy already passed on, and the Pleco looks pretty damn close as well, so I'm going to have to move fast on this.

Oh, and the local fish store dude told me while tiger barbs eat neons they don't do so if they're raised in with them from when they're little. :/
 
Is this the only fish shop in town? I only ask because bagging up fish and just handing them over without saying a word sometimes works when they refuse to take them back over the phone. But, a good fish store should try to help you out in a pinch like this. At least you'll be able to get some filter media out of them, that should really help your situation a lot.

It's tough in the beginning but you'll be okay. And your fish will too so long as your perform water changes often and get them through this cycle. It sounds like you have a good plan, good luck!
 
2. Jumpstart the cycling so as to protect the fish. Get ammonia-ammonium converting tablets, and some bacteria from the store, probably both from a kit as well as from the local fish store's filters, etc, just to be on the safe side. Also buy even more plants and place them.


If you intend to buy bacteria the only one that works is bio-spira, with this you have to add your full bioload of fish at the same time as the bacteria. If you do, DO NOT use any form of converter for the ammonia, without ammonia the bacteria will die, rendering you in the same position as before.

http://www.marineland.com/science/nspira.asp

This is a link to Bio-spira research, you can get other info there too.
 
2. Jumpstart the cycling so as to protect the fish. Get ammonia-ammonium converting tablets, and some bacteria from the store, probably both from a kit as well as from the local fish store's filters, etc, just to be on the safe side. Also buy even more plants and place them.


If you intend to buy bacteria the only one that works is bio-spira, with this you have to add your full bioload of fish at the same time as the bacteria. If you do, DO NOT use any form of converter for the ammonia, without ammonia the bacteria will die, rendering you in the same position as before.

http://www.marineland.com/science/nspira.asp

This is a link to Bio-spira research, you can get other info there too.

Hrrm...I was under the impression from what I had read before that these bacteria can convert ammonia or ammonium to nitrite. I guess I'll need to look into it a bit more.
 
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Hrrm...I was under the impression from what I had read before that these bacteria can convert ammonia or ammonium to nitrite. I guess I'll need to look into it a bit more.
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Usually yes, however if you look at marinelands website, they recommend not to use any ammonia-ammonium converting products as they can have an effect on the bacteria taking hold. Follow the link its in a little box on the right hand side of the product page.

Hope that helps
 

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