#### Is Wrong With My Fish !

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Was doing a wee clean on my tank taking out floating bits of plant etc and noticed my paradise fish looked like the phantom of the opera !!!

Never ever seen anything like this in my life ! I don't know if it's something wrong with it's eye as it looks black and there also seems to be a dark mark next to it's gill but it's just on one half of it's face as you'll see from the pics ! or if another fish has had a wee go at it

the other paradise is fine both of them are swimmin normally and eating . The Masked phantom one has been sitting up top next to internal filter box where my heater is sitting if thats anything to go by

HELP PLEASE

Pics
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Other side is completely normal
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See what i mean about phantom of the opera
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Size of tank in gallons or litres.
How many fish and which type.
Water stats in ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.

So one of his eyes are black and he's black near his gill.
Black eyes can be fish tb.
 
190L 49 Uk Galls i think

2 Male Gourami's
2 paradise fish
9 red Wag's
2 danio's
5 cory's
1 plec
3 clown loaches

PH is 7.5 Othe stats unavailable til bf brings his testing kit down
 
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! Should i just anaethetise it

My 2 mollies went like this last week i though it was dropsy so we culled them too


Where can i get med's to treat the whole tank ? don't wanna lose anymore fish !!

Can't bloody belive this !
 
Antibiotics are only available through I vet you need minocycline or tetracycline.
Once the spines bends there nothing to be done.
Best to distroy all fish showing tb signs and save the rest by using antibiotics.
It wipes the benefical bacteria out in the filter but it needs wiping out.
Also wear gloves if you cuts and wounds on your hands.
Get you some more info.

Piscine Tuberculosis



Symptoms:

Because of the symptoms associated with this disease, it is often referred to as Wasting Disease. An infected fish may show a loss of appetite, emaciation (sunken belly), fading of colors, eroding fins, erratic swimming, scale loss or protrusion, "pop-eye" or eye loss, skin inflammation, ulcerous skin wounds or open lesions, gill deformities, spinal curvature, and Dropsy.

Symptoms may occur singly or in various combinations. Symptoms may also vary from species to species and from one individual fish to another. Not all symptoms need be present. Healthy fish may carry the illness for some time without being affected, and then become ill when stress or poor water conditions lower their resistance. The disease may run a lingering course, killing the fish slowly over time, or strike in epidemic proportions quickly wiping out an entire aquarium population.

Diagnoses of Piscine Tuberculosis is difficult, as all of the diseases symptoms may appear in other illnesses. Piscine TB can only be verified upon autopsy.



Cause:

Mycobacterium bacteria. Piscine Tuberculosis is highly infectious and can be easily transferred. Gravel can harbor this bacteria causing the entire aquarium to become infected. The disease may strike in epidemic proporations, killing an entire population of fish in record time with little to no symptoms. However, it can also remain latent for some time, progressing slowly, silently causing internal organ damage to the fish.

This illness is not always fatal to the fish. The bacteria may become encapsulated to form small nodules and as long as good environmental conditions are maintained there is no danger. However, if the fish is weakened by unsuitable water conditions or other diseases the nodules can burst. The infection then becomes acute and can kill the infected fish as well as infect others.



Treatment:

Infected fish must be isolated quickly because the disease is highly contagious (see below). Treat with a combination of sulphafurazone (0.2mg/g fish), doxycycline (0.005 mg/g fish) and minocycline (0.005 mg/g fish) administered intramuscularly. It is also recommended to feed any sick fish isoniazid. It may take up to 2 months for fish to completely heal. Kanacyn also claims to be helpful in treating Piscine Tuberculosis.


Caution:

Piscine Tuberculosis is caused by a species of bacteria belonging to the genus Mycobacterium, which is also the causative agent of Tuberculosis in humans. While the bacteria that causes this disease in fish prefers cooler temperatures than most bacteria that infect humans it is still possible for the illness to be passed on to humans. Such an infection in humans usually shows in the form of an infected nodule in the skin, although there is a chance of a more serious internal infection. If you suspect your fish has this disease, observe the strictest of hygiene to prevent the spread of this serious disease to humans.





Piscine Tuberculosis



Symptoms:

Because of the symptoms associated with this disease, it is often referred to as Wasting Disease. An infected fish may show a loss of appetite, emaciation (sunken belly), fading of colors, eroding fins, erratic swimming, scale loss or protrusion, "pop-eye" or eye loss, skin inflammation, ulcerous skin wounds or open lesions, gill deformities, spinal curvature, and Dropsy.

Symptoms may occur singly or in various combinations. Symptoms may also vary from species to species and from one individual fish to another. Not all symptoms need be present. Healthy fish may carry the illness for some time without being affected, and then become ill when stress or poor water conditions lower their resistance. The disease may run a lingering course, killing the fish slowly over time, or strike in epidemic proportions quickly wiping out an entire aquarium population.

Diagnoses of Piscine Tuberculosis is difficult, as all of the diseases symptoms may appear in other illnesses. Piscine TB can only be verified upon autopsy.



Cause:

Mycobacterium bacteria. Piscine Tuberculosis is highly infectious and can be easily transferred. Gravel can harbor this bacteria causing the entire aquarium to become infected. The disease may strike in epidemic proporations, killing an entire population of fish in record time with little to no symptoms. However, it can also remain latent for some time, progressing slowly, silently causing internal organ damage to the fish.

This illness is not always fatal to the fish. The bacteria may become encapsulated to form small nodules and as long as good environmental conditions are maintained there is no danger. However, if the fish is weakened by unsuitable water conditions or other diseases the nodules can burst. The infection then becomes acute and can kill the infected fish as well as infect others.



Treatment:

Infected fish must be isolated quickly because the disease is highly contagious (see below). Treat with a combination of sulphafurazone (0.2mg/g fish), doxycycline (0.005 mg/g fish) and minocycline (0.005 mg/g fish) administered intramuscularly. It is also recommended to feed any sick fish isoniazid. It may take up to 2 months for fish to completely heal. Kanacyn also claims to be helpful in treating Piscine Tuberculosis.


Caution:

Piscine Tuberculosis is caused by a species of bacteria belonging to the genus Mycobacterium, which is also the causative agent of Tuberculosis in humans. While the bacteria that causes this disease in fish prefers cooler temperatures than most bacteria that infect humans it is still possible for the illness to be passed on to humans. Such an infection in humans usually shows in the form of an infected nodule in the skin, although there is a chance of a more serious internal infection. If you suspect your fish has this disease, observe the strictest of hygiene to prevent the spread of this serious disease to humans.


Another tb link.
http://www.torrens.org.uk/NatHist/Aqua/disease/tb.html
 
bf is anaethetising it just now I feel so sad :( poor wee thing :rip:

What causes it ? The 2 mollies last week didn't have the mask like he did one had a really big belly looked like it has swallowed a mable and the other looked anorexic but that one had a curved spine so we culled them just to be sure and treated the tank with King British Bacterial Control and thought problem was under control

That was the first i've seen the fish like that as far as i remember it wasn't like that last night not really looked in tank today been too ill !
 
You have four symtoms of tb black eyes, dropsy, extremely thin, bent spines.
Bent spine and being thin can also be internal parasites but with the other symtoms it looking more like fish tb.
Put the fish in a bag and put in freezer, then take it to the vets they will runs tests on the fish to see if it is tb as you will need antibiotics.

If you think the fish is in a bad way I would put him out of his misery bless him.
 

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