Introducing Myself

MontyJ

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Hello,
Introducing myself here. My daughter and I are new tank owners. We suffered the same fate as many before us. We went to the pet store Friday and bought the tank and accessories. Pet store person said add water, put in the de-chlorinating drops, turn the heater on and let it warm up for 24 hours. Saturday evening we were back at the pet store. The same person that sold us the tank happily sold us 2 neon tetras, one white skirt? Tetra, 2 glofish, a guppy, and a dalmation colored molly. She never said a word about bacteria or cycling or anything. Of course, we took the fish home, acclimated them to the tank, released them, and watched every single one of them die. It was very heartbreaking for my 10 year-old daughter. The neons were dead within 2 hours. The other tetra, the molly and the glofish were dead by morning and the guppy succumbed later that day.

After the first three “ceremonial flushings” (her term, not mine) I took the rest of the dead to the pet store and …how to put this politely…questioned their demise. At that point the clerk said “Oh, you just started your tank the other day. Well, it’s common for fish to die in a new tank.” She then tried to sell me some stuff in a bottle to “fix” my tank. I declined in such a manner as to convince her to refund my money for the dead fish. I was totally furious.

I must admit, it’s mostly my fault. I’m an expert gardener and run my own website and forum on the subject. I see so many people kill plants through lack of knowledge that I should have known to seek expert help when starting the aquarium up.

To make a long story short, I called my sister who used to have many, many tanks ranging from 10 to 75 gallons. When I told her what I did, I got a brief scolding for not calling her first…totally deserved. She then told me about cycling the tank.

Now don’t fault her, she has been out of fish keeping for a number of years, but she told me to turn the heater off, buy a few feeder goldfish and put them into the tank. She told me about testing the water and changing it and so forth. After finding this site, and doing some lurking/reading, I called her and asked her about fishless cycling. She had not heard of it, but again, she has been out of the hobby for a long time. She thinks it’s a great idea though.

This isn’t getting any shorter…typical for me…anyway, we have 8 small goldfish in the tank. That’s two fewer than we put in…more ceremonial burials at sea. So my question is, if all the goldfish die, can we just continue with fishless cycling?

BTW, our tank is a 29 long.
 
Why don't you take the goldfish back now and do a fishless cycle? Those goldfish would have to be rehomed at some point anyway as they'll grow far too large for your tank.

You need to buy yourself some test kits; one for ammonia at the very least and preferably ones for nitrite and nirate as well. In that way you can test you water (every day!) and you'll know when to change it to stop your fish getting poisoned.
 
Why don't you take the goldfish back now and do a fishless cycle? Those goldfish would have to be rehomed at some point anyway as they'll grow far too large for your tank.

You need to buy yourself some test kits; one for ammonia at the very least and preferably ones for nitrite and nirate as well. In that way you can test you water (every day!) and you'll know when to change it to stop your fish getting poisoned.


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i think you should take them back and stop the possible death of your goldfish, buy a bottle of ammonia. of course you didn't know about the fishless cycle and the petshop is too responsible for their death but saying things like 'So my question is, if all the goldfish die, can we just continue with fishless cycling?' will anger people on this forum as now you have found a forum where you do now know better and are showing a blatant disregard for the fish' wellbeing. i don't mean to scare you off or make it seem like im having a go at you but everyone or at least the majority of people on here would be more caring about the fish.
 
I totally agree with the others on this one. I don't know about you but I'd much rather wait for a while for your fish than putting your daughter through the stress of watching more fish die pointlessly. Heres a link to how to do a fishless cycle: Fishless cyling

Good luck
 
There is also the fact, that at 10, your daughter is old enough to be able to understand what you're doing and help with the testing etc. This could be a very valuable learning experience you can share with her.
 
Let's clear something up before it gets out of hand. I wasn't intentionally letting the fish die, or showing a blatant disregard for the welfare of the fish. Frankly, I expected to get up this morning and find the rest of the goldfish dead in the tank. If that were to be the case, my question was could we continue with fishless cycling. If you will notice the time I posted, it was too late to take the fish back because the store was closed. Perhaps I should have been more clear.

In any event, I took today off for the sole intent of taking the survivors back. All 8 were still alive. The pet store gave me some grief about returning feeder fish. I told her I didn't want a dang refund, she could keep her .80 cents. Amazingly enough, that did the trick. So now the feeder goldfish are patiently awaiting their gruesome demise at the whim of some predatory creature instead of being poisened to death in my tank. Personally, if I were a feeder fish, and was given those options, I would take the slow poisoning. At least I would have a shot at survival.

I spent the rest of the day driving all over the area to find pure ammonia. I finally found it at a hardware store 20 miles from my house. Shook the crap out of it, no foam. I think I read a post somewhere about Walmart's Great Value brand being acceptable, but when I looked at it, surfactant was clearly listed on the label, ditto the brands I found at Lowes, M & M True Value Hardware, K-Mart, Kroger and Shop-n-Save. All foamed when shaken as well.

I have begun the fishless cycle and will continue this discussion there, since this is really just the introduction forum.
 

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