Interpet Ph Down

[debware87]

Please can anyone tell me the amounts of PH Down I need to use, its the Interpet range and I have been having the odd fish dye, the water have been tested several times to be ok,, and the PH was a little up at 7.4 but I have lost my intructions on how much to use, I have a 60L tank,

 

[Curiosity101]

Just don't use any. Honestly they probably aren't dying due to the pH, especially as that's actually a perfectly reasonable pH and good for most fish.

The losses will be down to the fish-in cycling situation the fish have been in.

Just for the record a high pH that could actually be problematic for general community fish would be something above pH 8.0

 

[debware87]

Just don't use any. Honestly they probably aren't dying due to the pH, especially as that's actually a perfectly reasonable pH and good for most fish.

The losses will be down to the fish-in cycling situation the fish have been in.

Just for the record a high pH that could actually be problematic for general community fish would be something above pH 8.0

Thanks, the man who tested the fish said it was perfectly fine but it may be a little up for some fish, and the other stuff he tested for was fine, spot on,, 3 months back I had problems with white spot which while being treated also fin rot but there has been no problems for but gradully the fish i started off with appart from 3 original danios and 1 white molly and 2 neons,, they have all died, when the water has tested ok then I had about 2 to 4 fish depending on size but the shark is fine as is the cory (original) (all 2 swordtails have all gone lost the last this week and 3 of the 4 mollies I have all gone, not sure whats happening, I always use tetra safe start and aqua safe but i have been told to use aqulibrium (salt with buffer) just worries me when i loose them,, and it always seems to be a few days after a water change

 

[Curiosity101]

Well there is no need to use salt. And my guess is still that it's because of the fish-in cycling. It's very common that a few months after fish go through an unplanned/un-regulated fish-in cycle for them to start dying.
The damage caused is sadly permenant and leads to premature deaths. Right now I would test your tap water with a liquid test kit just to check you don't have high ammonia/nitrites and also double check you're conditioner is in date and that you're using enough for the tap water (check with your local water board for chlorine + chloramine levels and cross reference with how much the recommended dosage deals with).

I would still put money on it being the fall out from the fish in cycling.

 

[debware87]

Well there is no need to use salt. And my guess is still that it's because of the fish-in cycling. It's very common that a few months after fish go through an unplanned/un-regulated fish-in cycle for them to start dying.
The damage caused is sadly permenant and leads to premature deaths. Right now I would test your tap water with a liquid test kit just to check you don't have high ammonia/nitrites and also double check you're conditioner is in date and that you're using enough for the tap water (check with your local water board for chlorine + chloramine levels and cross reference with how much the recommended dosage deals with).

I would still put money on it being the fall out from the fish in cycling.

i got some Info yesterday off anglia water website for our area,. it says 0.05mg/l free Cholrine, and 0.630mg/l total Cholrine is chlorminated. not sure what I should be treating the water with now,.. aqua safe is 5ml per 10 liters, so when I do a part water change I use 3ml per 6 liter bucket, and the safe start is 5ml per 6 liters, so thats what i use per water change,

just noticed my zebra Danio seems to have a jagged tail, not sure if nibbled or fin rot, but treated for just in case but other fish seem fine

 

[Curiosity101]

You're conditioner is de-toxifying roughly 10x the amount needed so that's fine

Which means that I definitely think the deaths you're seeing are down to permenant damage cause by the fish-in cycling.

As for finrot, in most cases it's easily treated by keep the aquarium clean. However melafix does help to avoid secondary infections and tends to speed up the healing process.

 

[debware87]

You're conditioner is de-toxifying roughly 10x the amount needed so that's fine

Which means that I definitely think the deaths you're seeing are down to permenant damage cause by the fish-in cycling.

As for finrot, in most cases it's easily treated by keep the aquarium clean. However melafix does help to avoid secondary infections and tends to speed up the healing process.

i know I am new to this tropical fish hobby,, but i dont understand why what appears to be a healthy fish one day just die the next, felt I was doing something wrong, but i take it that it is normal for some fish to dye then,, but what is the damage that is done to the fish in the cycling period? and with regard to cleaning the glass is cleaned when i do the water change, usually every sunday, taking 13 litres out each change,

 

[Curiosity101]

The best way to explain the apparent 'surprising' deaths is by giving a human equivalent. For example someone doesn't tend to look ill before a heart attack, but they can suffer one and die within an instant and it's often caused by an underlying problem that wasn't giving the person any problem at all.

Specifically with regards to fish:
Ammonia at high levels causes permenant scarring to the gills decreasing the efficiency of gas exchange.
Nitrites at high levels cause nervous problems.

Something to do with the long term effects of being put through a fish-in cycle results in premature 'un explained' deaths. No one can tell you for certain what causes the actual death. But the correlation is clear. Unplanned/Unregulated fish in cycles = dramatically shortened life expectancy for the fish.

 

[debware87]

The best way to explain the apparent 'surprising' deaths is by giving a human equivalent. For example someone doesn't tend to look ill before a heart attack, but they can suffer one and die within an instant and it's often caused by an underlying problem that wasn't giving the person any problem at all.

Specifically with regards to fish:
Ammonia at high levels causes permenant scarring to the gills decreasing the efficiency of gas exchange.
Nitrites at high levels cause nervous problems.

Something to do with the long term effects of being put through a fish-in cycle results in premature 'un explained' deaths. No one can tell you for certain what causes the actual death. But the correlation is clear. Unplanned/Unregulated fish in cycles = dramatically shortened life expectancy for the fish.

Thanks for that ,

 

[Curiosity101]

I know it's rubbish isn't it, I bet if they'd just given you the correct information you'd have followed it aswell wouldn't you? I really wish that fish shops had greater regulations/guidelines. But hey ho, there are other things which come before fish in the governments priority list.

It's just so annoying because at the end of the day fish keeping is fun and easy if done properly. And so many people are put off because they aren't given the correct advice from the beginning.