Infected (?) / Damaged Angel Fin

[tintin]

Clearly my day for fish problems today.

I realise the photo is a bit rubbish but I wanted to point out the red/pink area at the base of the fin on the left. The fin itself is split and the where it joins the body there is tissue damage that is possibly infected. Whatever has caused this, what should I add to the water to clear up any infection and clear up the wound? I should add that the angel appears otherwise fine, is eating well and able to swim relatively well, despite the dodgy fin.

TT.

 

[WILDER]

What the pink lump thing in the pic. Is it on the fish as it hard to make out.
Pink edging to fins is bacterial finrot. Red edging can be septicemia.
I would issolate and use a internal bacteria med.

What are your water stats in ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.

 

[tintin]

Thanks for the response.

Unable to isolate so will have to treat the whole tank. Hoping that my other problem with my Gourami (see other post) might also be treatable with internal meds so I can sort both issues at once?

 

[WILDER]

So the spine bent aswell according to the other thread.
The pink lump thing in the pic is it on the fish.

So the symtoms are being skinny, bent spine, finrot.

 

[tintin]

I'm not sure if it is finrot on the Angel. If it is its worse than i've ever seen before.

With regards the Gourami, yes, very skinny and bent spine.

 

[WILDER]

I want you to take a look at this fish tb site to see what you think.

http/www.torrens.org.uk/NatHist/Aqua/disease/tb.html

Issolate the fish or put it out of its misery.

 

[tintin]

Certainly some of the symptoms are there. I don't like to see a fish suffer so I think there's only one option here as isolation isn't an option.

 

[WILDER]

Once the spine bends it best to destroy the fish.
I would keep a close eye on the other fish.
The fish is putting the rest of the tank at risk.
Sorry not nice news.

Wear gloves if you have cuts on your hands when putting your hands in the tank.

 

[tintin]

Thanks for the support all the same. I feared the worse but always prefer to have a second opinion.

Have put gourami to sleep.

Will get internal meds in the morning to treat the suspect fin.

Thanks again.

 

[WILDER]

If the fish was showing no signs of internal parasites it looks more like fish tb.
Its hard to say tb without having test done.

Here some more info for you.
R.I.P.


Piscine Tuberculosis



Symptoms:

Because of the symptoms associated with this disease, it is often referred to as Wasting Disease. An infected fish may show a loss of appetite, emaciation (sunken belly), fading of colors, eroding fins, erratic swimming, scale loss or protrusion, "pop-eye" or eye loss, skin inflammation, ulcerous skin wounds or open lesions, gill deformities, spinal curvature, and Dropsy.

Symptoms may occur singly or in various combinations. Symptoms may also vary from species to species and from one individual fish to another. Not all symptoms need be present. Healthy fish may carry the illness for some time without being affected, and then become ill when stress or poor water conditions lower their resistance. The disease may run a lingering course, killing the fish slowly over time, or strike in epidemic proportions quickly wiping out an entire aquarium population.

Diagnoses of Piscine Tuberculosis is difficult, as all of the diseases symptoms may appear in other illnesses. Piscine TB can only be verified upon autopsy.



Cause:

Mycobacterium bacteria. Piscine Tuberculosis is highly infectious and can be easily transferred. Gravel can harbor this bacteria causing the entire aquarium to become infected. The disease may strike in epidemic proporations, killing an entire population of fish in record time with little to no symptoms. However, it can also remain latent for some time, progressing slowly, silently causing internal organ damage to the fish.

This illness is not always fatal to the fish. The bacteria may become encapsulated to form small nodules and as long as good environmental conditions are maintained there is no danger. However, if the fish is weakened by unsuitable water conditions or other diseases the nodules can burst. The infection then becomes acute and can kill the infected fish as well as infect others.



Treatment:

Infected fish must be isolated quickly because the disease is highly contagious (see below). Treat with a combination of sulphafurazone (0.2mg/g fish), doxycycline (0.005 mg/g fish) and minocycline (0.005 mg/g fish) administered intramuscularly. It is also recommended to feed any sick fish isoniazid. It may take up to 2 months for fish to completely heal. Kanacyn also claims to be helpful in treating Piscine Tuberculosis.


Caution:

Piscine Tuberculosis is caused by a species of bacteria belonging to the genus Mycobacterium, which is also the causative agent of Tuberculosis in humans. While the bacteria that causes this disease in fish prefers cooler temperatures than most bacteria that infect humans it is still possible for the illness to be passed on to humans. Such an infection in humans usually shows in the form of an infected nodule in the skin, although there is a chance of a more serious internal infection. If you suspect your fish has this disease, observe the strictest of hygiene to prevent the spread of this serious disease to humans.

 

[tintin]

God, how depressing.

I'm hoping that this is not what has caused the issue with the angel's fins. Again, isolation isn't an option and it sounds like its appropriate that the whole tank is treated anyway. None of the meds mentioned are familiar to me. Do you know if there any of the shelf meds available?

 

[WILDER]

If you are in the uk antibiotics are only available throw a vet.
If it is tb the benefical bacteria wants wiping out anyway. As antibiotics wipe the beneifical bacteria out in the filter.
If you lose anymore fish freeze one and take to to the vets to be tested on.